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View Daddyorc's Profile Daddyorc Flag Long Island City, NY 10 Aug 22 10.28am Send a Private Message to Daddyorc Add Daddyorc as a friend

Every time the opposition has a corner I cringe. Too many times someone shuts off.

Reminds me of Pardewís last season. It seemed like the opposition scored every game from a corner.

 

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 10 Aug 22 1.08pm Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Is one side more prevalent than the other? That is, down Clyne's side or Mitchell's? It would be informative to understand what build up leads to the corner being given away. I recall some seasons ago when Barcelona were in their pomp an excellent Bayern Munich side cracked the code by getting down the wings and forcing corners - Barcelona were so used to bossing the middle of the park but they couldn't defend a cross...
Personally I think our problems start a bit further up the pitch, Zaha's turning over possession, Eze incapable of making a tackle or heading the ball. There's no natural onfield leader which doesn't help.

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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 10 Aug 22 1.21pm Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Is one side more prevalent than the other? That is, down Clyne's side or Mitchell's? It would be informative to understand what build up leads to the corner being given away. I recall some seasons ago when Barcelona were in their pomp an excellent Bayern Munich side cracked the code by getting down the wings and forcing corners - Barcelona were so used to bossing the middle of the park but they couldn't defend a cross...
Personally I think our problems start a bit further up the pitch, Zaha's turning over possession, Eze incapable of making a tackle or heading the ball. There's no natural onfield leader which doesn't help.

When you're defending a set piece you have the opportunity to organise and allocate tasks to players.

You don't get that when the ball is turned over.

From a coaching point of view a set piece should be easier to defend than a sudden transition with players out of position.

I agree that we don't seem to have a real leader on the field. I think we're a bit too ' nice ' to play against.

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View Putitout's Profile Putitout Flag Oxford 10 Aug 22 2.18pm Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

The Zenchenko, goal was school boyish, in every respect.. and not for the first time.. the time and space he had. To pick his spot was criminal he couldnít fail to drop it perfectly for any sort of touch.
We have been caught at both posts , but constantly are getting caught at the back post and in this case well wide of the back post , as we seem to have no one looking to block anyone coming into that massive space.
The first principle of defending long ball corners is to be first to any ball in, first or second touch, at the very least put pressure on the ball at all times. Itís frightening to see how inept we are in this respect

 

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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 10 Aug 22 2.25pm Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by Putitout

The Zenchenko, goal was school boyish, in every respect.. and not for the first time.. the time and space he had. To pick his spot was criminal he couldnít fail to drop it perfectly for any sort of touch.
We have been caught at both posts , but constantly are getting caught at the back post and in this case well wide of the back post , as we seem to have no one looking to block anyone coming into that massive space.
The first principle of defending long ball corners is to be first to any ball in, first or second touch, at the very least put pressure on the ball at all times. Itís frightening to see how inept we are in this respect

Two things i think 1, it was a very good set piece Arsenal did, 2, We need a Commanding Keeper who can shout and organise, hopefully Johnstone can be that one.

 



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Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

Two things i think 1, it was a very good set piece Arsenal did, 2, We need a Commanding Keeper who can shout and organise, hopefully Johnstone can be that one.

Have to disagree on the first point. It wasnít clever beyond making use of one of the oldest moves in the game. A move often attempted in junior football. Certainly was when I was a young player many years past. As ever Palaces defenders were crammed between the posts, it needed an attacker to deal with what occurred to easily, they didnít even appear to know Zenchencko was there, let alone close him down.
Second point the goalkeeper should have been more involved I agree , but but then if a little fellow like Martinello, could get the better of our central defenders ,the blame canít stop there.

 

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View pssguy's Profile pssguy Flag 10 Aug 22 4.19pm Send a Private Message to pssguy Add pssguy as a friend

Originally posted by Tickled pink

A defender on each post would for me be the answer.

That doesn't work. They impede the goalkeeper and cannot reach high efforts. Plus it leaves you two bodies light to track runs or challenge for the ball

 

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View TheGreatGorbo's Profile TheGreatGorbo Flag sunbury 10 Aug 22 9.35pm Send a Private Message to TheGreatGorbo Add TheGreatGorbo as a friend

We ourselves have used the same tactics with Tompkins and also Andersen pulling away at the far post and heading back across goal so should be aware of this, very disappointing that our coaches allowed zinchenko to get that free header back across goal sort it out ffs!

 

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