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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 10 Aug 22 3.29am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

I was back in June and July for the first time since 2019. London has changed significantly.

Very different in areas such as Dalston and Shoreditch, SW postcodes generally booming, SE postcodes slipping further and further behind economically and socially in terms of crime, education etc.

On the plus side public transport continues to be much better than the 1980's when if you were in SE you were screwed for trains and underground.

When I visited Richmond on Thames it was like a different planet to Thornton Heath or Brockley.

The woke culture war is lost in LOndon, don't ask where " the gents toilet is " and don't stare when you are served in a shop by a man with a beard and I am guessing a p**** in female clothes and with the name tag Angel. This is the pr4sent and the future.

Very different in other parts of the country, Wiltshire, Dorset, the Cotswolds, Suffolk, North Lincs. The people in those areas have nothing in common with the woke media and their hangers on.

The Red Wall will not vote for someone hwo cannot say a woman is an adult female and does not have a p****.

Starmer in place gives hope to Truss.

It's amazing how many people who have a vote do not seem to realise in the UK we do not have a presidential system.

Universal suffrage is not the way forward, just because you are alive does not mean you are qualified to vote and affect others.

The scariest thing is the ever increasing sense of entitlement younger people have, they think nice to haves are human rights.

Saw people talking about going to the food bank with better phones than mine and hundreds of pounds worth of new tattoos.

Does not bode well for the future IMHO

Good to see some things never change, no new stand at SP, Club screwing up digital STs etc

 


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He reaching for the pocket....and it's a long overdue yellow

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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 10 Aug 22 8.17am Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

Good to get a view from someone who has been away!
My brother said similar having come back from Dubai after many years working there.
His main gripe was the service in the UK and how bad it is.
He reckons the UK is broken and I sort of agree with him.
Your comment on peoples "would like to have" and them seeing them as their right and foodbank issue do not bode well for the future.
The people who will be running businesses in 20 years time have very strange views today - maybe they will change in time - one can only hope so.
I would counter that with the fact that there are many young people with good values and work ethic as well.

 

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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 10 Aug 22 9.25am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

I agree there are good young people, my son and daughter who live in London , 30 and 23 both work hard and have good jobs with proper career prospects

 


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He reaching for the pocket....and it's a long overdue yellow

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 10 Aug 22 6.03pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

I was back in June and July for the first time since 2019. London has changed significantly.

Very different in areas such as Dalston and Shoreditch, SW postcodes generally booming, SE postcodes slipping further and further behind economically and socially in terms of crime, education etc.

On the plus side public transport continues to be much better than the 1980's when if you were in SE you were screwed for trains and underground.

When I visited Richmond on Thames it was like a different planet to Thornton Heath or Brockley.

The woke culture war is lost in LOndon, don't ask where " the gents toilet is " and don't stare when you are served in a shop by a man with a beard and I am guessing a p**** in female clothes and with the name tag Angel. This is the pr4sent and the future.

Very different in other parts of the country, Wiltshire, Dorset, the Cotswolds, Suffolk, North Lincs. The people in those areas have nothing in common with the woke media and their hangers on.

The Red Wall will not vote for someone hwo cannot say a woman is an adult female and does not have a p****.

Starmer in place gives hope to Truss.

It's amazing how many people who have a vote do not seem to realise in the UK we do not have a presidential system.

Universal suffrage is not the way forward, just because you are alive does not mean you are qualified to vote and affect others.

The scariest thing is the ever increasing sense of entitlement younger people have, they think nice to haves are human rights.

Saw people talking about going to the food bank with better phones than mine and hundreds of pounds worth of new tattoos.

Does not bode well for the future IMHO

Good to see some things never change, no new stand at SP, Club screwing up digital STs etc

Obviously none of those things actually happened in real life, but what does that matter when you have a load of preconceptions to tick off, hey?

You "saw people talking about going to the food bank" - I'm also very sure that didn't happen.

The scariest thing to me is the scale of the incoming economic crisis, the lack of solutions on offer from any political party, and the amount of people like you who are more concerned with a completely made-up 'war on woke'.


 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 10 Aug 22 7.25pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Obviously none of those things actually happened in real life, but what does that matter when you have a load of preconceptions to tick off, hey?

You "saw people talking about going to the food bank" - I'm also very sure that didn't happen.

The scariest thing to me is the scale of the incoming economic crisis, the lack of solutions on offer from any political party, and the amount of people like you who are more concerned with a completely made-up 'war on woke'.


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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 11 Aug 22 9.52am Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

"Working from home" has finally fecked the business-model for the World's mega cities.

London, Paris, New York etc. The need to be here for employment has less traction than previously. Allowing huge numbers of professionals to return to a rural idyll. Cheap housing, space, low crime, better schools, etc. Cornwall, kerry, Malaga,

Who the feck wants to pay big money to live in Thornton Heath ? Especially for bankers with kids at school. Future london accommodation will be sofa-surfing the odd day here and there. With the main family setup being far away. Many of our plumber & electrician friends from Eastern Europe are already on this page. Wife & kids stay at krakow full time.

We always saw London emptied of workers at Christmas. I fear the future will be " earn in London, spend it elsewhere" London will be working-men, childless young professionals, and dole-heads. No elderly, no cockneys, no kids of workers.

 


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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 11 Aug 22 10.00am Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

I'm so pleased that I made the decision to leave London in the late-1990s. I'm also still celebrating opting for a less challenging working life in 2019 meaning no more working trips to the capital. It's a dreadful place that I have no desire to visit ever again (apart from Selhurst, obviously!). And now we have the first outbreak of polio in the UK for about 40 years...guess where?

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 11 Aug 22 10.10am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

"Working from home" has finally fecked the business-model for the World's mega cities.

London, Paris, New York etc. The need to be here for employment has less traction than previously. Allowing huge numbers of professionals to return to a rural idyll. Cheap housing, space, low crime, better schools, etc. Cornwall, kerry, Malaga,

Who the feck wants to pay big money to live in Thornton Heath ? Especially for bankers with kids at school. Future london accommodation will be sofa-surfing the odd day here and there. With the main family setup being far away. Many of our plumber & electrician friends from Eastern Europe are already on this page. Wife & kids stay at krakow full time.

We always saw London emptied of workers at Christmas. I fear the future will be " earn in London, spend it elsewhere" London will be working-men, childless young professionals, and dole-heads. No elderly, no cockneys, no kids of workers.

Interesting thoughts. I had this conversation with my neighbour who is a senior manager at a large financial service company. He is not a fan of working from home largely because he believes it is bad for young people and their careers.

What they miss out on is the life experience and knowledge of other staff. On this point I agree with happen most of my work experience came from my colleagues not formal training courses.

Anyway I think it is too early to predict the impact that WFH will have on our economy and society I think we need to give it 10 years.

I will make 2 predictions:

Beckenham where I live is a commuter town or was I think the local economy is benefiting from having a larger number of adults around during the day e.g. bars and restaurants. London's loss is Beckenham's gain.

WFH will be a poison pill for many workers especially public services. If you can do the job remotely 30 miles away why not 3000 miles away. The unions are blind or stupid in encouraging their staff to WFH.

Edited by Badger11 (11 Aug 2022 10.11am)

 


One more point

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View Palace Old Geezer's Profile Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 11 Aug 22 12.21pm Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

"Working from home" has finally fecked the business-model for the World's mega cities.

I have a nephew who married an Italian girl a couple of years ago, and they started married life in Wimbledon. Not sure exactly what he does, something like selling advertising space for a media company.

Found it increasingly difficult here so they recently moved to Rome. His firm agreed to him doing the same job from there and they made him their 'Italian Office'.

Nobody cares where your home is.

 


Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

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W12 11 Aug 22 6.20pm

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

I have a nephew who married an Italian girl a couple of years ago, and they started married life in Wimbledon. Not sure exactly what he does, something like selling advertising space for a media company.

Found it increasingly difficult here so they recently moved to Rome. His firm agreed to him doing the same job from there and they made him their 'Italian Office'.

Nobody cares where your home is.

But everyone cares who’s moving into it

 

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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 11 Aug 22 11.49pm Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Obviously none of those things actually happened in real life, but what does that matter when you have a load of preconceptions to tick off, hey?

You "saw people talking about going to the food bank" - I'm also very sure that didn't happen.

The scariest thing to me is the scale of the incoming economic crisis, the lack of solutions on offer from any political party, and the amount of people like you who are more concerned with a completely made-up 'war on woke'.



Angel works in a large pharmacy in Northcote Road. The food bank conversation was outside a tattoo parlour in Hull. Whether you or any other ideologue believes or not is irrelevant to me. Crack on


Edited by HKOwen (11 Aug 2022 11.50pm)

 


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He reaching for the pocket....and it's a long overdue yellow

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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 11 Aug 22 11.54pm Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by W12

But everyone cares who’s moving into it

Only if it's Wisbech Eagle

 


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He reaching for the pocket....and it's a long overdue yellow

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