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View Davepalace707's Profile Davepalace707 Flag Northumberland 31 Aug 22 11.28am Send a Private Message to Davepalace707 Add Davepalace707 as a friend

Originally posted by Putitout

If last nights goal from Wilf, didnít say why Palace canít let him go nothing will.
Did anyone get the impression any one the others would score? I didnít. He was having a quiet game in some respects, yet he pulls that one out of the bag, yes Olise, might, Eze, might,, Wilf, does it often, As it was we created little in the box , only a brilliant effort would do it , Olise, nearly ,but Wilf did, and does more and more often.

Spot on. And itís not great either. The other forwards are lucky Wilf is there.

 


ďYou miss 100 per cent of the shots you donít takeĒ

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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 01 Sep 22 1.49pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by Davepalace707

Spot on. And itís not great either. The other forwards are lucky Wilf is there.

I agree with you and Putitout in that Zaha is our best and most effective player by a mile, and we'd be in trouble without him (even if we are better placed now to survive when he goes).

I'm not so sure the other forwards are lucky Wilf is there, though.

Obviously, he provides goals that they do not (which is your point). However, if I was a Palace striker I would say that Wilf, for all his goals and even his assists, doesn't try to provide a stream of dangerous crosses in the way another winger might.

When I was a kid, John Salako and Eddie McGoldrick were in the team exclusively to provide service to Wright and Bright, and for no other purpose whatsoever. If the wingers tried to score an individual goal, they would get both barrels from the strikers who, had they played with him, might have strangled Wilf by now!

The use of a selfless striker, doing the hard yards for the benefit of a skillful but individualistic inside-forward is now commonplace, but it does generally come at the expense of the striker's goal-tally.

In fairness to Wilf, this is a chicken-and-egg situation at Palace. A few years ago, Zaha would regularly beat his fullback and flash a dangerous ball across goal, only to see it go to waste as we didn't have a striker good enough to meet the ball.

I think Wilf adapted to this. First, he stopped crossing it and started trying to draw fouls in the box, then he stopped running at fullbacks and focused on quickly shifting the ball to the side and shooting. That works, so he hasn't stopped doing it.

Perhaps if we had a good enough striker Wilf would cross it more, and perhaps if Wilf crossed it more the strikers would look a bit better. Either way, I feel that we are luckier to have Wilf than our strikers are.


Edited by TheBigToePunt (01 Sep 2022 1.54pm)

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 01 Sep 22 2.01pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Eddie McGoldrick had a bet with Uncle Ron one season he would score X number of goals and he did. Problem was he supposed to be on the wing not in the centre looking for someone else to cross the ball.

 


One more point

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 01 Sep 22 2.45pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Chelsea have confirmed Aubameyang signing. I wonder if that has any impact on their alleged interest in our beloved son?

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 01 Sep 22 2.50pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

I'm not so sure the other forwards are lucky Wilf is there, though.

Obviously, he provides goals that they do not (which is your point). However, if I was a Palace striker I would say that Wilf, for all his goals and even his assists, doesn't try to provide a stream of dangerous crosses in the way another winger might.

The use of a selfless striker, doing the hard yards for the benefit of a skillful but individualistic inside-forward is now commonplace, but it does generally come at the expense of the striker's goal-tally.

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Perhaps if we had a good enough striker Wilf would cross it more, and perhaps if Wilf crossed it more the strikers would look a bit better. Either way, I feel that we are luckier to have Wilf than our strikers are.


Edited by TheBigToePunt (01 Sep 2022 1.54pm)


Excellent post BTP. I was only thinking after Tuesday's game that both Edouard and especially Mateta seem to get left out when Zaha and Eze are doing their stuff even when the striker is in a good position to receive the ball.

I notice that Olise often looks for Wilf rather than the striker as well.

However, put an early decent cross in as Mitchell did against Villa and Bang, Mateta puts it away. And that's not the first time. Starting with his clever first ever goal for us (against THAT lot) from Ayew's cross he is often there to score or cause trouble. indeed, his goals for us have tended to come from crosses.

Having said all that, Wilf remains a key player for us but I do wish he would show a bit more faith in our central strikers.

 

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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 01 Sep 22 3.19pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Eddie McGoldrick had a bet with Uncle Ron one season he would score X number of goals and he did. Problem was he supposed to be on the wing not in the centre looking for someone else to cross the ball.

I remember it well!
Wright (and maybe Bright too?) had gone by then, but I'm sure I remember one report quoting a palace player who preferred not to be named, but who felt he spoke for the dressing room in saying 'Nigel Martyn doesn't get paid extra for each clean sheet, so why does Eddie get this goal bonus?'.

For those who didn't see him play, Eddie was a good second-tier winger, then an average-to-poor top-tier winger who the crowd would sometimes 'express disappointment in'. Then, completely out of the blue one day, Coppell moved him to sweeper. Imagine if we suddenly put Mateta in goal - it was that unlikely.

Anyway, for the rest of that season, he was utterly, spellbindingly brilliant. He made the game look so easy. He would nick the ball off striker's feet, dribble his way out from the back, start attacks, and hardly seem to break a sweat (note - I may be misremembering some of this....).

He was so good that Arsenal bought him. Then they played him on the wing, and found out very quickly what we could have told them - that he wasn't very good there.

 

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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 01 Sep 22 3.24pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by doombear


Excellent post BTP. I was only thinking after Tuesday's game that both Edouard and especially Mateta seem to get left out when Zaha and Eze are doing their stuff even when the striker is in a good position to receive the ball.

I notice that Olise often looks for Wilf rather than the striker as well.

However, put an early decent cross in as Mitchell did against Villa and Bang, Mateta puts it away. And that's not the first time. Starting with his clever first ever goal for us (against THAT lot) from Ayew's cross he is often there to score or cause trouble. indeed, his goals for us have tended to come from crosses.

Having said all that, Wilf remains a key player for us but I do wish he would show a bit more faith in our central strikers.

Somewhere in the dark recesses of my mind is a bunch of stats showing how surprisingly inefficient and unproductive crosses actually are. I think this has perhaps led to the trend in inside-forwards, although as you say, the evidence of one's own eyes is that a good cross remains dangerous. It certainly helps the forward.

I suppose the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Zaha (and now Olise and Eze) cutting inside has got us enough points to stay up. Whether we would have got as many by crossing the ball instead is what I believe idiots call a 'known unknown'. Perhaps we will find out in a post-Zaha era?

 

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 01 Sep 22 4.43pm Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

I reckon PV has had Wilf watch a few reels of vintage Thierry Henry; the goal against Brentford was very much in the Henry mould.

 

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