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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 24 Oct 22 7.51pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Stirly
Donít let facts get in the way of a good Tory bashing.
Personally if Sunak gets in, I doubt I will vote again for any party. No one can be trusted and they certainly donít have the will of the people uppermost in their thoughts. Look at Brexit

Edited by Spiderman (23 Oct 2022 6.33pm)

Just noticed this!

I find it amazing that some still believe it!

The job of our MPs is not to have the ďwillĒ of the people uppermost in their thoughts. They arenít delegates, they are representatives! Their job is to have the needs of the people uppermost in their thoughts and actions.

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Just noticed this!

I find it amazing that some still believe it!

The job of our MPs is not to have the ďwillĒ of the people uppermost in their thoughts. They arenít delegates, they are representatives! Their job is to have the needs of the people uppermost in their thoughts and actions.

Yes, because we're all too stupid to know what we need. We're like children who only know what we want. Luckily, someone can make us eat our greens, thanks.

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 24 Oct 22 8.00pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Just noticed this!

I find it amazing that some still believe it!

The job of our MPs is not to have the ďwillĒ of the people uppermost in their thoughts. They arenít delegates, they are representatives! Their job is to have the needs of the people uppermost in their thoughts and actions.

That might have been true when less than 5% of the population could vote and most people weren't affected by parliamentary decisions. What happened to change being good?

 

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Originally posted by The groover

Gordon Brown. I'll just leave this here.

Yes, crowned by Labour, didn't go to the country despite big poll lead.

 

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View m/k mick's Profile m/k mick Flag milton keynes 24 Oct 22 8.34pm Send a Private Message to m/k mick Add m/k mick as a friend

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

So Liz Truss gets £115,000pa rpi linked for the rest of her days along with the many other living ex PMs.
Not bad for just over a month at the helm.

No she does not, educate yourself, read up on the conditions

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 24 Oct 22 8.56pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Yes, because we're all too stupid to know what we need. We're like children who only know what we want. Luckily, someone can make us eat our greens, thanks.

It has nothing to do with people being stupid, only with our system which requires our representatives to vote with their consciences to deliver what they believe is in our best interests. If they are always expected to look over their shoulders at what our ďwillĒ was at some time in the past then thatís impossible. They must be free to respond to events.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 24 Oct 22 9.04pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

That might have been true when less than 5% of the population could vote and most people weren't affected by parliamentary decisions. What happened to change being good?

Change has to happen before it can either be good or bad.

We donít have a direct democracy. Nothing to stop anyone campaigning for one but right now we have a representative democracy, in which Parliamentís word is sovereign. No PM, or Party, can commit Parliament.

The fact that so many donít understand that, including it seems many Parliamentarians, is sad, but it doesnít change the facts.

It might have caused a political firestorm if Parliament had voted down Brexit but democratically they had the right to do so.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 24 Oct 22 9.05pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It has nothing to do with people being stupid, only with our system which requires our representatives to vote with their consciences to deliver what they believe is in our best interests. If they are always expected to look over their shoulders at what our ďwillĒ was at some time in the past then thatís impossible. They must be free to respond to events.

They couldn't even elect their own leader out of anything except self interest.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 24 Oct 22 9.08pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Change has to happen before it can either be good or bad.

We donít have a direct democracy. Nothing to stop anyone campaigning for one but right now we have a representative democracy, in which Parliamentís word is sovereign. No PM, or Party, can commit Parliament.

The fact that so many donít understand that, including it seems many Parliamentarians, is sad, but it doesnít change the facts.

It might have caused a political firestorm if Parliament had voted down Brexit but democratically they had the right to do so.

This was one man's interpretation 250 years ago. When 95 out of 100 didn't have the vote it made sense. Now it doesn't.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 24 Oct 22 9.11pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

'Labour, Lib Dems, SNP and Johnson supporters say former chancellor has no mandate to run country'.

Morally he doesn't, but we are democratically deficient, and e probably does.

Truss the latest in a line of unelected failures.

We donít elect PMs. We elect a Parliament. We have one in which one party has an 80 seat majority. Their mandate came in 2019. I didnít like it, but itís their right to use it.

So long as they hold themselves together they have no need, or duty, to call an election. Given our mess thatís for the best in my view.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 24 Oct 22 9.18pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

This was one man's interpretation 250 years ago. When 95 out of 100 didn't have the vote it made sense. Now it doesn't.

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Itís much more than ďone manís interpretationĒ. Itís the fundamental underlying principle of a representative democracy.

If you believe that because more are now involved we need to incorporate some elements of a direct democracy into our system then by all means campaign for it, get the new arrangements enshrined in law and it will be our system in the future.

It isnít now.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 24 Oct 22 9.20pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

They couldn't even elect their own leader out of anything except self interest.

Then change who ďtheyĒ are! Thatís our role.

 

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