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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 25 Oct 22 10.25am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by palace99

I agree. Macca will hopefully be fit after the World Cup. I was never convinced Hughes was a great signing and so it has proved, although he may be worth a go once he recovers fully from his virus.

For now Luka should be played and just told to sit in front of the back four. This will suit our passing from the back and will allow Doucoure licence to go forward.

I can see why PV plays Schlupp, however, his lack of discipline in the position is criminal. How hard is it for 2 midfielders to agree that one sits when the other presses and vice versa

Agree with all of that.

I think you can see from a few posts back I was in favour of Luka playing that sitting role however whilst he is not entirely to blame for Everton I think a different option should be tried if anyone fails to make their case when given a chance.

I don't think Riedewald would be a ridiculous option, I would expect him not to venture to far forward too occasionally and has sound technical ability. I am a fan of his and still hold hope for him to 'come good' however see and fear the potential for that to backfire too.

 


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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 25 Oct 22 10.27am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by palace99

I agree. Macca will hopefully be fit after the World Cup. I was never convinced Hughes was a great signing and so it has proved, although he may be worth a go once he recovers fully from his virus.

For now Luka should be played and just told to sit in front of the back four. This will suit our passing from the back and will allow Doucoure licence to go forward.

I can see why PV plays Schlupp, however, his lack of discipline in the position is criminal. How hard is it for 2 midfielders to agree that one sits when the other presses and vice versa

McArthur's career at PL level is coming to an end. 18 and 21 appearances respectively in the last two seasons and injured in this current one. We have to think beyond what he can bring at this stage.

We have a number of lazy fecker attacking midfielders, let Doucoure stick to bossing the central zone.

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 25 Oct 22 10.51am Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

McArthur would be the obvious choice to partner Doucoure, but sadly is too often unfit.
In his absence, my choice would be Hughes.
He looks more comfortable in a deeper role and is a decent passer to commence moves along with Doucoure.
He’s also prepared to tackle, reads the game well and his lack of mobility /pace is less likely to be exposed in a deeper role.
For me Luka is a liability these days and looks like he’s running through treacle with a propensity for giving away free kicks in dangerous areas.
The Luka of a couple of seasons ago, maybe, but not the current version.
Jairo could be an interesting choice for some games where we dominate possession and are under less pressure.
However, he does lack intensity and wouldn’t appear to be a long term solution.

All of this discussion is academic of course while Vieira persists with one number 6 and two number 8s in midfield.

 

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 25 Oct 22 11.17am Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

McArthur would be the obvious choice to partner Doucoure, but sadly is too often unfit.
In his absence, my choice would be Hughes.
He looks more comfortable in a deeper role and is a decent passer to commence moves along with Doucoure.
He’s also prepared to tackle, reads the game well and his lack of mobility /pace is less likely to be exposed in a deeper role.
For me Luka is a liability these days and looks like he’s running through treacle with a propensity for giving away free kicks in dangerous areas.
The Luka of a couple of seasons ago, maybe, but not the current version.
Jairo could be an interesting choice for some games where we dominate possession and are under less pressure.
However, he does lack intensity and wouldn’t appear to be a long term solution.

All of this discussion is academic of course while Vieira persists with one number 6 and two number 8s in midfield.


Agree with all you say here Patrick. Let's hope PV can show some flexibility.

Edited by doombear (25 Oct 2022 11.18am)

 

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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Flag 25 Oct 22 11.34am Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

I know it's a big ask of a kid, but I've been impressed by Ozoh when I've seen him. Looks like he could mix it up physically, is tall, has a cool head, can pass and looks very composed on the ball for his age. Personally I don't think Jairo or Luka are quite up to it any more and I'll hold judgement on Hughes. Ayew is not a central midfielder, despite the experiment, and neither really is Schlupp. Philips could be worth a shout due to his size and aggression, but still looks tactically naďve whenever I've seen him play and can be a bit of a headless chicken.

 

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View Uphill's Profile Uphill Flag Bedford 25 Oct 22 12.01pm Send a Private Message to Uphill Add Uphill as a friend

At the moment there is only one sensible choice and that's Will Hughes - he is compact, tidy and can at least pass the ball forward but ..... he is not getting much game time and may not yet be fully fit.

On the other hand, a partially fit Hughes is preferable to the now well past it Luka.

It is a conundrum for the manager to solve.

 

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View cROYdonrogers's Profile cROYdonrogers Flag Leamington Spa 25 Oct 22 1.47pm Send a Private Message to cROYdonrogers Add cROYdonrogers as a friend

Hughes the obvious answer from what we currently have available.

 

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View CrazyBadger's Profile CrazyBadger Flag Ware 25 Oct 22 2.31pm Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

I know it's a big ask of a kid, but I've been impressed by Ozoh when I've seen him. Looks like he could mix it up physically, is tall, has a cool head, can pass and looks very composed on the ball for his age. Personally I don't think Jairo or Luka are quite up to it any more and I'll hold judgement on Hughes. Ayew is not a central midfielder, despite the experiment, and neither really is Schlupp. Philips could be worth a shout due to his size and aggression, but still looks tactically naďve whenever I've seen him play and can be a bit of a headless chicken.

Interesting, that was one of CG's traits

Can't see past Hughes, but I think vieira likes Schlupp for his mobility.

 


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View ex hibitionist's Profile ex hibitionist Flag Hastings 25 Oct 22 2.47pm Send a Private Message to ex hibitionist Add ex hibitionist as a friend

Cheikh was given a very low rating v Chelsea, and at times he has, until recently, looked a bit behind the game, he makes tackles but surges forward too far and loses possession. It seemed clear v Leeds and Wolves that the oppo had spotted that he hadn't yet fit in and he would get crowded out by three or four opposition players when he had charged into another blind alley. Might not have been all Cheikh's fault - the players around him were not reacting the way he was expecting them to so he was getting isolated. Ashley Williams pointed out v Leicester how disconnected and dysfunctional our midfield is - Schlupp lacks positional awareness and Eze is not suited to playing too deep, PV has done well to jig things around to get a tune out of the midfield, but on several occasions the tweaking hasn't worked. It was noticable how much better Doucoure's performance was in the second half v Wolves, releasing the ball a lot earlier, so the penny seems to be dropping - but we are now in a situation where his loss is irreplaceable. We desperately need some sort of Milner type in Jan - doesn't have to be a youngster, but someone to play alongside Doucoure, he seems more used to playing in a pair than as a sole anchor, but someone who can be available for him and get the ball moving forward, either by carrying it or passing it. Gallagher covered over the cracks but the frailties of our midfield are now exposed and need to be mended asap.

 

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View palace chick's Profile palace chick Flag South Croydon 25 Oct 22 3.17pm Send a Private Message to palace chick Add palace chick as a friend

No doubt in my mind that we need to play another central midfielder alongside Dacoure. Luka would be my choice but there is also Macca who I would prefer if/when fit. Then we have Hughes or Reidewald. Schlup in my opinion shouldn’t be in the frame unless playing wide midfield. Saying all that, I expect PV will play one central midfielder with the others “lost in space” &#128640; somewhere :-(

 

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View palace99's Profile palace99 Flag New Mills 25 Oct 22 5.40pm Send a Private Message to palace99 Add palace99 as a friend

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

McArthur's career at PL level is coming to an end. 18 and 21 appearances respectively in the last two seasons and injured in this current one. We have to think beyond what he can bring at this stage.

We have a number of lazy fecker attacking midfielders, let Doucoure stick to bossing the central zone.

If we can get 18 or 21 games out of Macca this season i'll be delighted.
Yes, i know he is currently injured but is due back soon so come Boxing Day should be fully fit.
When he is fit PV plays him.
A fit Macca maybe avoids us making a panic buy in January. Clearly, with him and Luka surely leaving next summer another DCM will be required in the summer, possibly 2.

 

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View Living In Hope's Profile Living In Hope Flag Petersfield 25 Oct 22 9.07pm Send a Private Message to Living In Hope Add Living In Hope as a friend

Doucoure has been excellent so far but is trying to do the job of 2 players. I like Schlupp as an impact substitute but Doucoure needs far stronger defensive support if Wilf, MO and Ebs are to be given reasonably free licence to attack. My view is that Hughes is the best option available. I think he has looked a decent player without being given much of a chance so far. Let's see what he can do next to Doucoure with a proper run of games. Of course Jimmy Mac of 4 years ago would be ideal, and he was excellent when he briefly re-emerged late last season, but relying on him to be fit and to perform at this stage of his career is not realistic.

 

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