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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 11 Nov 22 8.24am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

My wife is a nurse and in her Trust they have voted to strike. We haven't discussed whether, or how, she voted. She is though sympathetic to the demands.

I am not. I don't think anyone should contemplate going on strike at the moment. If anyone achieves an above average settlement that will become the norm and our inflation and debt problems will just get worse.

Of course I am proud of her and the work she does and realise that her pay in real terms has fallen, but this is not the time to try to correct that.

I am particularly angry with the train drivers trying to get a larger share of the cake.

With a cost cutting budget due next week I have no idea what the government will do in response, but this makes me feel really uncomfortable. We are in a recession. In recessions real wages go down. There may well have to be another cap on increases in the public sector.

For once I am in agreement. I see a friend who doesn't live in London occasionally we had a nice day out booked for Sat 26 Nov until they announced it's strike day.

I may not see her now until the new year in the meantime I have booked tickets for exhibitions and stuff and I have to hope they will refund me as I don't have another date scheduled yet.

Okay I know it's petty in the scheme of things but how many other people will have their weekend ruined. I also just realised that Mayor Sad Dick has done nothing to help people on strike days, he could suspend the congestion charges but hell no he probably earns more money on those days.

I've said it before strikes should be banned in key sectors and replaced with compulsory arbitration with fines and imprisonment for those that do not confirm whether they are unions or management.

 


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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 11 Nov 22 9.56am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Inflation tends to push the unions to push for more. It is as sure as night follows day.

However, the OP makes his point based on an assumption that state sector employees are coming from a history of sequential pay rises at least in line with (very low) inflation, but this time they are demanding a higher rise to keep up.

Actually, what you have is a diminishing state sector that will have had, perhaps, one or two below inflation pay rises since 2011. Otherwise, their pay has been largely frozen for 11 years, while their workload has significantly increased due to their colleagues being laid off.

There are always dregs in the state sector. However, people really need to stop seeing this as a lazy 9-5 gravy train to a huge pension as those days are long gone.

 

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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 11 Nov 22 10.29am Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

It is all very political and planned industrial action across many Unions to undermine the Government and actually Society as well.
Trouble is that they are just beginning to hack everyone off.
Nurses are undervalued but they always have been.
They earn more than they say they do albeit it isn't a job I would ever want to do.
When you take job/vocation up you know the score and so to strike while asking for a ridiculous pay rise is morally wrong.
Civil Servants - don't get me started!
Most of them are working from home and saving fortunes in travel and in many cases childcare but still they want more!
If they work in London lets have the weighting back first and then talk after.
If not, then make them go back their offices before anything will even be discussed - that applies to every one of them throughout the Country.
I am not sure our government has the bottle for the fight but they should issue a statement now that sets out our rules before anything else will be so much as thought about let alone negotiated.
I am just sick of public servants now.
They generally don't do what it says on the tin and yet they want even more for less - reward for failure yet again!

 

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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 11 Nov 22 10.31am Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

I meant to add that at a time when many people are suffering financially, mentally and more then we should all pull together - instead these people decide to cause everyone problems.
They will regret it in due course - everything comes around!
Incidentally - the railways calling of strikes last minute but with their Spanish practises still leaving us in disarray - another law needs to be passed on that a bit quick!
Hit them where it hurts!

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 11 Nov 22 11.52am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

Inflation tends to push the unions to push for more. It is as sure as night follows day.

However, the OP makes his point based on an assumption that state sector employees are coming from a history of sequential pay rises at least in line with (very low) inflation, but this time they are demanding a higher rise to keep up.

Actually, what you have is a diminishing state sector that will have had, perhaps, one or two below inflation pay rises since 2011. Otherwise, their pay has been largely frozen for 11 years, while their workload has significantly increased due to their colleagues being laid off.

There are always dregs in the state sector. However, people really need to stop seeing this as a lazy 9-5 gravy train to a huge pension as those days are long gone.

If we cannot produce and keep our own staff in our own healthcare service and have to import people then there is something very wrong going on and it contradicts the opinion to deal with numbers of immigration.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 11 Nov 22 11.56am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by The Dolphin

It is all very political and planned industrial action across many Unions to undermine the Government and actually Society as well.
Trouble is that they are just beginning to hack everyone off.
Nurses are undervalued but they always have been.
They earn more than they say they do albeit it isn't a job I would ever want to do.
When you take job/vocation up you know the score and so to strike while asking for a ridiculous pay rise is morally wrong.
Civil Servants - don't get me started!
Most of them are working from home and saving fortunes in travel and in many cases childcare but still they want more!
If they work in London lets have the weighting back first and then talk after.
If not, then make them go back their offices before anything will even be discussed - that applies to every one of them throughout the Country.
I am not sure our government has the bottle for the fight but they should issue a statement now that sets out our rules before anything else will be so much as thought about let alone negotiated.
I am just sick of public servants now.
They generally don't do what it says on the tin and yet they want even more for less - reward for failure yet again!

Any examples of what they say they earn vs what they do earn?

 


COYP

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View orpingtoneagle's Profile orpingtoneagle Flag Orpington 11 Nov 22 12.55pm Send a Private Message to orpingtoneagle Add orpingtoneagle as a friend

Originally posted by The Dolphin

It is all very political and planned industrial action across many Unions to undermine the Government and actually Society as well.
Trouble is that they are just beginning to hack everyone off.
Nurses are undervalued but they always have been.
They earn more than they say they do albeit it isn't a job I would ever want to do.
When you take job/vocation up you know the score and so to strike while asking for a ridiculous pay rise is morally wrong.
Civil Servants - don't get me started!
Most of them are working from home and saving fortunes in travel and in many cases childcare but still they want more!
If they work in London lets have the weighting back first and then talk after.
If not, then make them go back their offices before anything will even be discussed - that applies to every one of them throughout the Country.
I am not sure our government has the bottle for the fight but they should issue a statement now that sets out our rules before anything else will be so much as thought about let alone negotiated.
I am just sick of public servants now.
They generally don't do what it says on the tin and yet they want even more for less - reward for failure yet again!

Sorry to burst your bubble but civil servants cannot all go back to the office 5 days a week as the government has sold off so many buildings that there is just not enough room to accommodate them all at once.

Most buildings have around 3 times the staff allocated to them than there is actual room to accommodate them so if all staff turned up at once they would have to turn 2/3 approx away.

Many other office based workers now work entirely at home and have seen no detriment to their wages etc. This working in the office is a fallacious position put about by the former Minister for Victoriana Jacob Rees Mogg.

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 11 Nov 22 1.00pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman


If we cannot produce and keep our own staff in our own healthcare service and have to import people then there is something very wrong going on and it contradicts the opinion to deal with numbers of immigration.

I have said on more than one occasion that part of the reason for the low take up of nursing as a career is the RCN's increasing of educational qualifications for entrance thus ruling out many people who not only wish to become nurses but also have the aptitude to do the job but they can't as they don't have a university degree

 

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View crystal-purley's Profile crystal-purley Flag Purley 11 Nov 22 1.00pm Send a Private Message to crystal-purley Add crystal-purley as a friend

They also had no or very low pay rises for the first 4 years of the Con-Lib government which has not been corrected yet.

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 11 Nov 22 4.23pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by crystal-purley

They also had no or very low pay rises for the first 4 years of the Con-Lib government which has not been corrected yet.

All apprentiships do

 

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 11 Nov 22 5.14pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by orpingtoneagle

Sorry to burst your bubble but civil servants cannot all go back to the office 5 days a week as the government has sold off so many buildings that there is just not enough room to accommodate them all at once.

Most buildings have around 3 times the staff allocated to them than there is actual room to accommodate them so if all staff turned up at once they would have to turn 2/3 approx away.

Many other office based workers now work entirely at home and have seen no detriment to their wages etc. This working in the office is a fallacious position put about by the former Minister for Victoriana Jacob Rees Mogg.

Quite. There is so much ignorance of state sector work seemingly informed by bygone days and Boulting brother comedies.

Those who still see state sector workers as jobsworths fudging it to a ring-fenced final-salary pension (done away with years ago, by the way) truly have no clue.

They are severely reduced in number, criminally under-resourced, grossly under-paid and with crushingly low levels of moral. This is partly fed by the working conditions and partly by the ignorance of, and absence of any appreciation from, the population they serve.

There is undoubtedly a neat correlation between those who still think they are lazy, incompetent and cosseted and thus applaud further cuts to the civil service and those who whine because it takes an age for anything to come back from the Passport Office or DVLA.

 

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Originally posted by cryrst

All apprentiships do

Edited by silvertop (11 Nov 2022 5.17pm)

 

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