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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Flag 14 Nov 22 8.32am Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

Nearly every PL plays with two holding midfielders these days, but we only have one with Schlupp shoe-horned in to pretend to be a second. We look like Arsenal did when they were a work in progress with a lot of sideways passing and a lack of penetration. Arteta made a few astute signings and suddenly their "nice" football became effective football. That is not to say I think we can be challenging for the title in a year or two, but they also play with four dribblers/creative forwards in their starting line-up in Martinelli, Odegaard, Saka and Jesus, none of whom are big and strong, but they have Xakha and Partey doing the dirty work behind them.

It's been a bit of a flip flop season, but for me personally it feels like we're only a couple of signings away from being a much better and more balanced team. If they are not forthcoming then I think it will be a longer, harder slog to the finish line.

 

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View n wales eagles's Profile n wales eagles Flag llandudno 14 Nov 22 9.09am Send a Private Message to n wales eagles Add n wales eagles as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

Iím still not sure that Edouard up front alone with Olise, Eze and Zaha behind in a supporting 3 gets us over my original point about too many players wanting too many touches and running with the ball at the expense of moving the ball with speed and purpose. You can have too many dribblers which affects the balance and efficiency of the team.
It looks good on paper and may well work in some games but Iím unconvinced itís sustainable over a long hard season.
Another poster mentioned when we played with KG and Jedi holding which enabled Zaha, Murray and Bolassie to flourish and this is correct.
However, I would contend that none of Olise, Zaha, Edouard or Eze have the physicality and robust approach of a Murray or Bolassie which means there is always the risk of them being outmuscled - as we have witnessed this season.
Olise looks a huge talent with great potential , but I donít think heís played particularly well this season or looked as much of a threat as he did last season.
Eze looks another real talent but tends to play in fits and starts.
We may just have to get used to inconsistency in their performances until they gain more experience.


looks good on paper but sadly we have to play on grass Think hughes deserves a run alongside CD give us a bit of bite in midfield 6 weeks for PV to sort and pinpoint a decent striker

 

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View thai-eagle's Profile thai-eagle Flag chiang mai 14 Nov 22 9.51am Send a Private Message to thai-eagle Add thai-eagle as a friend

Start with Schlupp on the bench and shift him with a crafty, tough midfielder. Doucoure cannot deal with the whole midfield alone. Playing away we should use only Eze, Olise and WZ (as long as he is here) on top.
And please, please stop that slow, side passing among the back 5. It takes us nowhere, only allow the opposition to get in line.

 

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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 14 Nov 22 11.15am Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

I think as many have raised, another CM is the first part of the solution.

re passing across the back and keeping the ball. I really don't understand why people have so much issue with it.

The realities of changing the way we play, is that keeping the ball is important. Holding the ball for a minute and then mounting an attack, is better than getting forward at the first opportunity, losing the ball and then defending for 5 minutes.

We are doing hte right thing, we just don't have al/as many tools at the top teams have.

As the OP suggested, Man city have Grealish, Mahrez to bring on if plan A isn't working. We have ME and JPM..

 

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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 14 Nov 22 8.54pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

Nearly every PL plays with two holding midfielders these days, but we only have one with Schlupp shoe-horned in to pretend to be a second. We look like Arsenal did when they were a work in progress with a lot of sideways passing and a lack of penetration. Arteta made a few astute signings and suddenly their "nice" football became effective football. That is not to say I think we can be challenging for the title in a year or two, but they also play with four dribblers/creative forwards in their starting line-up in Martinelli, Odegaard, Saka and Jesus, none of whom are big and strong, but they have Xakha and Partey doing the dirty work behind them.

It's been a bit of a flip flop season, but for me personally it feels like we're only a couple of signings away from being a much better and more balanced team. If they are not forthcoming then I think it will be a longer, harder slog to the finish line.

Agree.

 

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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 14 Nov 22 9.47pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by thai-eagle

Start with Schlupp on the bench and shift him with a crafty, tough midfielder. Doucoure cannot deal with the whole midfield alone. Playing away we should use only Eze, Olise and WZ (as long as he is here) on top.
And please, please stop that slow, side passing among the back 5. It takes us nowhere, only allow the opposition to get in line.


In order to create space for moving forward successfully we sometimes encourage the opposition by being too elaborate allowing the opposition the opportunity to press us, This is fixable on the training pitch and with the appropriate signings the problem is highlighted playing certain teams.

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