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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 17 Dec 22 11.11pm Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

ON a tangent I was very annoyed when one year, I can't remember which, Liverpool were coming to Selhurst and it was sold out.

I was sent extracts from Liverpool forums where they were actively organising how to bunk into Selhurst without tickets, so of course without paying.

Yet at the same time they went on and on endlessly about Hillsborough,

Venues have limits on capacity for a reason, only takes a couple of people to fall and you can have tragedy of Seoul and years ago Hong Kong.

The ridiculous scenes at Wembley not so long ago.

Brixton is tragedy that was totally avoidable and caused by selfish people

 


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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 18 Dec 22 5.01am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

Do they have to carry out health and safety reports prior to concerts? For example, taking into account that some concerts would be higher risks than others?

I have seen claims, and zero way of verifying/commenting on whether they are true or not, that the Security team at that venue is known for being willing to take a back-hander by way of letting people without tickets in? But I guess that will all emerge in any subsequent enquiry but as I understand it that person whose concert it was had already stressed that people without tickets should not turn up so it appears that this event was clearly one in which potential issues had been identified in advance.

would be the correct thing to do. But then allegations of discrimination are bound to follow every decision

The venue will probably have standard risk assessments on file, in say a category of High, Medium and Low, and designate accordingly.

And this storming of the venue was organised on social media at quite short notice. If the Old Bill had to monitor activity on all social platforms for 'irregular activity', how long before HOL towers would be stormed and the MP3 thread taken away in chains.
I hope the culprits who stormed the venue are located and brought to face justice


Edited by Forest Hillbilly (18 Dec 2022 5.10am)

 


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View footythoughts's Profile footythoughts Flag Beckenham 18 Dec 22 6.51am Send a Private Message to footythoughts Add footythoughts as a friend

Most certainly tragic, but also a tragedy easily avoided. If you don't have a ticket don't turn up.

 

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View georgenorman's Profile georgenorman Flag 18 Dec 22 7.08am Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Tragic death of Rebecca Ikumelo, 33, from Newham, east London, died in hospital on Saturday morning, two others critical.

After the 4 boys at Solihull, it's painful.

No comparison.

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Online Flag 18 Dec 22 7.26am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman


No comparison.

I'm not so sure as in one tragedy three families lost their children whilst in the other two young children lost their Mum

 

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View footythoughts's Profile footythoughts Flag Beckenham 18 Dec 22 7.40am Send a Private Message to footythoughts Add footythoughts as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

No comparison.

Well, I mean they're both tragic events. I'm not sure that anyone is claiming they're identical, or in competition with one another. It's all a pointless and terrible loss of life.

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 18 Dec 22 7.48am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

They are both terrible tragedys but one involved what seems to have been a tragic accident with kids just doing what kids do i.e playing out and tragedy unfolding.

Whereas the other, if the claims about this attempt to rush the entrance being organised via Social-Media are true, is essentially the consequences of potentially a criminal act.

And the question has to be asked of the lady who died in Brixton. Did she have a ticket? Or had she gone to that venue as part of the wider conspiracy to force entrance? She was not there by accident nor caught up in the scrum as just a bystander.

 


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View footythoughts's Profile footythoughts Flag Beckenham 18 Dec 22 7.58am Send a Private Message to footythoughts Add footythoughts as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

They are both terrible tragedys but one involved what seems to have been a tragic accident with kids just doing what kids do i.e playing out and tragedy unfolding.

Whereas the other, if the claims about this attempt to rush the entrance being organised via Social-Media are true, is essentially the consequences of potentially a criminal act.

And the question has to be asked of the lady who died in Brixton. Did she have a ticket? Or had she gone to that venue as part of the wider conspiracy to force entrance? She was not there by accident nor caught up in the scrum as just a bystander.

The crime of rushing to see a musical artist you might like would appear to be someone less important than the fact she's now dead. It may have been an ill advised thing to do, and she may or may not have had a ticket, but that would seem to be more than enough of a price paid for her actions. We should still lend dignity to her life. There's little need to to pedantically berate a dead person over a minor mistake after it's already happened.

From the perspective of trying to stop this happening again I get the questions, but ultimately it's still tragic that this woman died and she's clearly not in any meaningful sense a criminal. She just made a minor mistake that tragically cost her her life.


Edited by footythoughts (18 Dec 2022 8.22am)

 

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View Crystal_Clear's Profile Crystal_Clear Flag Belfast 18 Dec 22 8.02am Send a Private Message to Crystal_Clear Add Crystal_Clear as a friend

I saw a tweet last night claiming that doormen were letting in people without tickets. At this point this is completely unsubstantiated, and may not even be true.

But if there is any truth in this, it would explain alot.

You only need 1 rogue doorman who is going to ticketless people (maybe their mates) for a certain amount of money, and word is going to spread like wildfire across social media. So, for a sold out concert, you have large numbers descending thinking they might get in through a back door.

 

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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 18 Dec 22 9.07am Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by Crystal_Clear

I saw a tweet last night claiming that doormen were letting in people without tickets. At this point this is completely unsubstantiated, and may not even be true.

But if there is any truth in this, it would explain alot.

You only need 1 rogue doorman who is going to ticketless people (maybe their mates) for a certain amount of money, and word is going to spread like wildfire across social media. So, for a sold out concert, you have large numbers descending thinking they might get in through a back door.

I suspect more likely is that the people on the door were either overwhelmed or 'robustly encouraged to step aside'. Also, whereas 30-year-old tales of paying turnstile operators at Selhurst Park a few quid to facilitate admission are entertaining, does anyone seriously think that the 100s of ticketless the other night were all waving a 20 quid note at the poor door staff?

 


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View gambler's Profile gambler Flag Kent 18 Dec 22 9.43am Send a Private Message to gambler Add gambler as a friend

Similar to Euro final situation anyone? Or is an uncomfortable comparison for some?

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 18 Dec 22 10.29am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by footythoughts

The crime of rushing to see a musical artist you might like would appear to be someone less important than the fact she's now dead. It may have been an ill advised thing to do, and she may or may not have had a ticket, but that would seem to be more than enough of a price paid for her actions. We should still lend dignity to her life. There's little need to to pedantically berate a dead person over a minor mistake after it's already happened.

From the perspective of trying to stop this happening again I get the questions, but ultimately it's still tragic that this woman died and she's clearly not in any meaningful sense a criminal. She just made a minor mistake that tragically cost her her life.


Edited by footythoughts (18 Dec 2022 8.22am)

Not invalid points although with some context, it was in response to people questioning why the deaths of those children in the Midlands due to falling through the ice was mentioned in context with the death of this lady.

However, I will concede the point about affording the lady's passing some dignity by not making a huge issue around the reasons why she had attended that night.

 


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