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View Gary St.Andrews's Profile Gary St.Andrews Flag Kenley 01 Jan 23 9.51am Send a Private Message to Gary St.Andrews Add Gary St.Andrews as a friend

Watched the Brighton v Arsenal game and thought Brighton gave them a game in the second half. But one thing that struck me was the amount of new faces Brighton had on the pitch, not only that but how good they were.

They definitely seem to be tapping into some good low value imports atm.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 01 Jan 23 9.56am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Gary St.Andrews

Watched the Brighton v Arsenal game and thought Brighton gave them a game in the second half. But one thing that struck me was the amount of new faces Brighton had on the pitch, not only that but how good they were.

They definitely seem to be tapping into some good low value imports atm.

They have indeed but it will be interesting to watch, now most of their top recruiting staff have left the club for bigger fish

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 01 Jan 23 10.07am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

It's an interesting point not least because when Brighton came up they made some terrible buys however in the last few season their recruitment has been excellent.

So I guess the question is what lessons did their learn? Apart from the obvious don't buy rubbish players.

 


One more point

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Jan 23 10.08am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Gary St.Andrews

Watched the Brighton v Arsenal game and thought Brighton gave them a game in the second half. But one thing that struck me was the amount of new faces Brighton had on the pitch, not only that but how good they were.

They definitely seem to be tapping into some good low value imports atm.

Brighton Mac Alister, a relatively unknown player from Argentinos Juniors and his sale will result in a significant profit.
Caicedo was signed for £4 Mill but would command a much higher fee in the transfer market.
Cucurella was signed for £15 Mill and Chelsea signed him for a fee that could rise to over £60 Mill.
Bissouma was signed for £15 Mill and Tottenham signed him for a fee that could rise to £30 Mill.

Brighton's 'Net Spend' over 2017-18, 18-19, 19-20 was £190 Mill, ours over that period was under £10 Mill !

 

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View Gary St.Andrews's Profile Gary St.Andrews Flag Kenley 01 Jan 23 3.08pm Send a Private Message to Gary St.Andrews Add Gary St.Andrews as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Brighton Mac Alister, a relatively unknown player from Argentinos Juniors and his sale will result in a significant profit.
Caicedo was signed for £4 Mill but would command a much higher fee in the transfer market.
Cucurella was signed for £15 Mill and Chelsea signed him for a fee that could rise to over £60 Mill.
Bissouma was signed for £15 Mill and Tottenham signed him for a fee that could rise to £30 Mill.

Brighton's 'Net Spend' over 2017-18, 18-19, 19-20 was £190 Mill, ours over that period was under £10 Mill !

It amazes me that people think PV has a good squad of players and he is not using them properly, when the figures above donít support this view. Our last transfer window was beyond a joke and I am sure this next one will be just as bad!

 

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View Elpis's Profile Elpis Flag In a pub 20 Jan 23 3.43pm Send a Private Message to Elpis Add Elpis as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Brighton Mac Alister, a relatively unknown player from Argentinos Juniors and his sale will result in a significant profit.
Caicedo was signed for £4 Mill but would command a much higher fee in the transfer market.
Cucurella was signed for £15 Mill and Chelsea signed him for a fee that could rise to over £60 Mill.
Bissouma was signed for £15 Mill and Tottenham signed him for a fee that could rise to £30 Mill.

Brighton's 'Net Spend' over 2017-18, 18-19, 19-20 was £190 Mill, ours over that period was under £10 Mill !

They have obviously been blessed by the pope or something , £27M for Drossard ? What are Arsenal thinking , they could have had Mateta for half that

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 20 Jan 23 4.12pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

It's an interesting point not least because when Brighton came up they made some terrible buys however in the last few season their recruitment has been excellent.

So I guess the question is what lessons did their learn? Apart from the obvious don't buy rubbish players.

Them and Brentford both rely heavily on analytics in their recruitment - the owners of both clubs made their money in using analytics to find value in different markets, and they've just applied the approach into their football clubs with a lot of success.

Presumably they've been refining as they go which is why the success rates of the signings has improved but I'd also imagine the nature of the model just means that certainly players who stand out statistically just don't make the jump up in level.

They still do waste a lot on players that you'll never see make it into the first team, but the upside on those that do is huge.

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 20 Jan 23 4.19pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Them and Brentford both rely heavily on analytics in their recruitment - the owners of both clubs made their money in using analytics to find value in different markets, and they've just applied the approach into their football clubs with a lot of success.

Presumably they've been refining as they go which is why the success rates of the signings has improved but I'd also imagine the nature of the model just means that certainly players who stand out statistically just don't make the jump up in level.

They still do waste a lot on players that you'll never see make it into the first team, but the upside on those that do is huge.

The 'moneyball' approach?

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 20 Jan 23 4.28pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

The 'moneyball' approach?

Yeah, broadly it is that.

As I understand it, they focus on players who excel in some quite obscure underlying statistics, as opposed to the people who score or assist loads or more obvious measures.

So if they can find a player who runs x km every game, keeps the ball 85%+ and averages a few interceptions a game, even if nothing else about the player jumps out they would scout him as an option for a midfielder, for example.

They set parameters for what type of player they need, and let the data tell them who the candidates are.


As opposed to us who seem to just pull up an ex-players list every time we need a signing


Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (20 Jan 2023 4.29pm)

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 20 Jan 23 5.13pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

In the good old days, managers used to have their "black book of contacts" and used to travel the length and breadth of the country in all weathers assessing players in midweek when their teams were not engaged in a match.

In this modern era, technology (Such as Wyscout /Scout7 etc), provides clubs with an array of information and statistics about footballers all over the world and there are recruitment teams accessing these details on a regular basis.

 

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