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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 04 Jan 23 12.37pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Painter

I think we already know, what your judgement will be, incorrect as in the previous 9 seasons.

With respect I don't have delusions of grandeur and I am humble enough to willingly admit when I have erred.

However I have not been incorrect in terms of every team that has been relegated in the past 9 seasons.
For instance, last year I predicted, prior to the season, that Burnley,Norwich and Watford would be relegated.The previous season I correctly predicted that Fulham and WBA would plummet through that relegation 'Trapdoor'.


Edited by Willo (04 Jan 2023 12.38pm)

 

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View sydtheeagle's Profile sydtheeagle Flag England 04 Jan 23 12.54pm Send a Private Message to sydtheeagle Add sydtheeagle as a friend

No one can seriously doubt that we are safe, hard as it is for a Palace fan to take anything for granted. The simple fact is that 37 points will almost certainly keep you up this year, and that means we need 5 wins and 17 losses from 22 games. I really can't see how we are going to fail to achieve that even in my most pessimistic moments. Furthermore, at least six teams are demonstrably weaker than us by any imaginable metric. Bournemouth and Southampton are not PL quality full stop. Both will go down so that leaves only one place in doubt. Forest are probably not PL quality yet, but may have time to grow into being good enough. Everton, Leeds, and West Ham are all to different degrees seriously flawed sides not as good as Palace. For me, this is the first time in a long time I have felt there was no real relegation threat this early in a season.

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 04 Jan 23 1.02pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by sydtheeagle

No one can seriously doubt that we are safe, hard as it is for a Palace fan to take anything for granted. The simple fact is that 37 points will almost certainly keep you up this year, and that means we need 5 wins and 17 losses from 22 games. I really can't see how we are going to fail to achieve that even in my most pessimistic moments. Furthermore, at least six teams are demonstrably weaker than us by any imaginable metric. Bournemouth and Southampton are not PL quality full stop. Both will go down so that leaves only one place in doubt. Forest are probably not PL quality yet, but may have time to grow into being good enough. Everton, Leeds, and West Ham are all to different degrees seriously flawed sides not as good as Palace. For me, this is the first time in a long time I have felt there was no real relegation threat this early in a season.

After the next 4 PL games you might have a change of heart !!

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 04 Jan 23 1.02pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by sydtheeagle

No one can seriously doubt that we are safe, hard as it is for a Palace fan to take anything for granted. The simple fact is that 37 points will almost certainly keep you up this year, and that means we need 5 wins and 17 losses from 22 games. I really can't see how we are going to fail to achieve that even in my most pessimistic moments. Furthermore, at least six teams are demonstrably weaker than us by any imaginable metric. Bournemouth and Southampton are not PL quality full stop. Both will go down so that leaves only one place in doubt. Forest are probably not PL quality yet, but may have time to grow into being good enough. Everton, Leeds, and West Ham are all to different degrees seriously flawed sides not as good as Palace. For me, this is the first time in a long time I have felt there was no real relegation threat this early in a season.

It both kills and terrifies me to express it to others however I do feel the same.

At the very worst, relegation seems to be a distant possibility, as opposed to surviving it being our entire identity.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 04 Jan 23 1.12pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

Originally posted by YT

So are you sure or aren't you?

Ha ha!
I meant to change the first line and forgot.
I hope we will be safe it should have read

 

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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 04 Jan 23 1.18pm Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Gut says we are fine, and in a decent position to kick on.

Had we beaten Fulham and Forest I would have said we were 100% safe.

However we have a horrid run of fixtures now, I can see a world where we lose the next 7 straight. (Although in reality that wont happen)

 

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View Goalpost1's Profile Goalpost1 Flag Worcester Park 04 Jan 23 1.40pm Send a Private Message to Goalpost1 Add Goalpost1 as a friend

I am still looking over my shoulder.

I agree we are less likely than others to go down but unlike last season for example I don't think there are any complete basket cases like Norwich and Watford to rely on. Bournemouth are on a very bad run but have shown earlier in the season that they can get some results. West Ham and Everton look poor at the moment but I think both managers are close to the sack there and with some panic buys and change at the helm they'll probably stay up by the skin of their teeth. I think the current bottom three are the most likely to go down but again not inconceivable that they could start to turn it around. Still very open I think.

 

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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Flag 04 Jan 23 1.44pm Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

This season is a bit like the one where Leicester won the league where lots of teams seem in a period of transition. It's a shame we weren't able to invest more last summer to take advantage.

With the players they have and the money they've spent I have no idea how West Ham are where they are, and yet they have been awful in some games this season, including a lethargic display versus us. With the quality they have I still think they'll get a run together at some point like Leicester did. Similarly, and begrudgingly, I also imagine Everton will eventually sort their act out, or they'll miraculously find £50million down the back of the FFP sofa to buy a new striker.

Bournemouth need to invest this window as with the squad they have they are in serious trouble. O'Neill gave them a new manager bounce but that has long since worn off. I think they'll drop.

Southampton are also in big trouble and I think (and hope) they'll go down. Hasenhüttl got them playing on the front foot and I think he would have got them over the line despite poor form. Eventually if you don't invest then it will catch up on you as it did to the likes of Burnley.

I think the remaining spot will be a battle between Forest, Wolves, and Leeds. We could have a big say seeing as 8 out of our last 10 games are against teams currently below us in the league.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 04 Jan 23 2.06pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

This season is a bit like the one where Leicester won the league where lots of teams seem in a period of transition. It's a shame we weren't able to invest more last summer to take advantage.

With the players they have and the money they've spent I have no idea how West Ham are where they are, and yet they have been awful in some games this season, including a lethargic display versus us. With the quality they have I still think they'll get a run together at some point like Leicester did. Similarly, and begrudgingly, I also imagine Everton will eventually sort their act out, or they'll miraculously find £50million down the back of the FFP sofa to buy a new striker.

Bournemouth need to invest this window as with the squad they have they are in serious trouble. O'Neill gave them a new manager bounce but that has long since worn off. I think they'll drop.

Southampton are also in big trouble and I think (and hope) they'll go down. Hasenhüttl got them playing on the front foot and I think he would have got them over the line despite poor form. Eventually if you don't invest then it will catch up on you as it did to the likes of Burnley.

I think the remaining spot will be a battle between Forest, Wolves, and Leeds. We could have a big say seeing as 8 out of our last 10 games are against teams currently below us in the league.

Bournemouth have lost all the 4 games (PL and League Cup) since the new owner Bill Foley was installed and not scored a single goal in those matches.They have now lost 7 of their last 8 PL games.
I would not be surprised to see Gary O'Neil departing in the near future.

 

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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Flag 04 Jan 23 2.44pm Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Bournemouth have lost all the 4 games (PL and League Cup) since the new owner Bill Foley was installed and not scored a single goal in those matches.They have now lost 7 of their last 8 PL games.
I would not be surprised to see Gary O'Neil departing in the near future.

It seemed he earned the position rather than having originally been in serious contention for it. With the proverbial wheels coming off you may be right; with new money often comes new expectations.

 

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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 04 Jan 23 3.06pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by The Dolphin

Ha ha!
I meant to change the first line and forgot.
I hope we will be safe it should have read

Good man! It never pays to be 'sure' as a Palace fan!

 


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View MrWhyNot's Profile MrWhyNot Flag 04 Jan 23 3.32pm Send a Private Message to MrWhyNot Add MrWhyNot as a friend

Originally posted by Goalpost1

I am still looking over my shoulder.

I agree we are less likely than others to go down but..

We're significantly less likey than some. I get that it can pay to be cautious but at what point does that turn into being defeatist? We forget how far we've come in recent years and are an entirely different animal to the likes of Forest and Bournemouth. We should look to push on, not look back.

Edited by MrWhyNot (04 Jan 2023 3.33pm)

 

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