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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 15 Jan 23 9.11pm Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Eze? Don't rate him. Can see the natural talent but also everything else that is missing from his game. Maybe he'll flower once Zaha has departed and is given responsibility. At the moment we don't the luxury of waiting for a luxury player to come good and provide a level of consistency in each and every game. He's currently consistent at going missing for long periods, got taken off today, it isn't good enough.

 

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View Rachid Rachid Rachid's Profile Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 15 Jan 23 9.14pm Send a Private Message to Rachid Rachid Rachid Add Rachid Rachid Rachid as a friend

I think we’re a poor side and the club has got way ahead of itself if all this bollocks about the teams of every age group playng the same way is true.

Pragmatism is always going to be the way for a club of our resources
Only four or five of the outfield players are good enough.

The criticism of Vieira reminds me of similar during Roy’s last year or so when he was continually criticised for not picking one average player over another average player or an untried youngster.

Aside from quality we’re lacking in physicality and height. I only listened on the radio but Pat Nevin commented that he thought Edouard looked out of shape.

I suspect further investment in the team ended with the row with Textor regarding Lyon.

Edited by Rachid Rachid Rachid (15 Jan 2023 9.15pm)

Edited by Rachid Rachid Rachid (15 Jan 2023 9.16pm)

 

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View EddieMac's Profile EddieMac Flag 15 Jan 23 9.21pm Send a Private Message to EddieMac Add EddieMac as a friend

At times I wonder does PV just play Zaha up top just to prove a point to SP that we have no strikers. Jeff Schlupp is an absolute abortion of a football player and I have no idea how he can keep playing him week after week and not even trying someone else to see if it works out.

I have got to to the point were I am dreading these match days. Even our win over Bournemouth was a poor performance yet every week we have PV sounding like David Moyes saying he is happy with the performances.

We have been piss poor for 90% of this season and I am fed up watching the same lineups and groundhog day performances week after week.

Edited by EddieMac (15 Jan 2023 9.22pm)

 

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View aashman12's Profile aashman12 Flag 15 Jan 23 9.44pm Send a Private Message to aashman12 Add aashman12 as a friend

Originally posted by CPO4OFC

Back from Chelsea and had to post

What has happened to our squad? Zaha looks frustrated playing right wing… schlupp is just absolute dog s**t too scared to make a forward pass… this playing out from
the back is becoming painful to watch week in week out half the time the ball ends up with the opposition before we’ve even made it to the halfway line!

Ok we had a couple of decent chances today but I can’t for the life of me understand why we insist on playing like Man City by trying to pass the ball into the oppositions box… we really need somebody who’s not scared to take a shot like Decoures today!

Zaha hasn't played right wing for ages.

 

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View ambrose7's Profile ambrose7 Flag Croydon 15 Jan 23 9.50pm Send a Private Message to ambrose7 Add ambrose7 as a friend

Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid

I think we’re a poor side and the club has got way ahead of itself if all this bollocks about the teams of every age group playng the same way is true.

Pragmatism is always going to be the way for a club of our resources
Only four or five of the outfield players are good enough.

The criticism of Vieira reminds me of similar during Roy’s last year or so when he was continually criticised for not picking one average player over another average player or an untried youngster.

Aside from quality we’re lacking in physicality and height. I only listened on the radio but Pat Nevin commented that he thought Edouard looked out of shape.

I suspect further investment in the team ended with the row with Textor regarding Lyon.

Edited by Rachid Rachid Rachid (15 Jan 2023 9.15pm)

Edited by Rachid Rachid Rachid (15 Jan 2023 9.16pm)

I think the difference here is the same bunch of players were okay 3 months ago. We had more points from losing positions than any other team - now if we go a goal down we barely even muster a shot let alone a fightback. The recent performances have been very concerning let alone the results - Forest, Southampton, Spurs, Chelsea couldn't buy a win until playing us. Zaha has totally switched off. Guehi and Mitchell are playing 1 and 3 levels below where they were last season.

Hodgson definitely didn't have the resources. Vieira hasn't had untapped resources, but we dropped a level over the summer and we dropped a heck of a lot over the World Cup break. Regardless of the money, the same 11 players just aren't playing anywhere near as well as they were.


 


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View Rachid Rachid Rachid's Profile Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 15 Jan 23 10.09pm Send a Private Message to Rachid Rachid Rachid Add Rachid Rachid Rachid as a friend

Originally posted by ambrose7

I think the difference here is the same bunch of players were okay 3 months ago. We had more points from losing positions than any other team - now if we go a goal down we barely even muster a shot let alone a fightback. The recent performances have been very concerning let alone the results - Forest, Southampton, Spurs, Chelsea couldn't buy a win until playing us. Zaha has totally switched off. Guehi and Mitchell are playing 1 and 3 levels below where they were last season.

Hodgson definitely didn't have the resources. Vieira hasn't had untapped resources, but we dropped a level over the summer and we dropped a heck of a lot over the World Cup break. Regardless of the money, the same 11 players just aren't playing anywhere near as well as they were.


True enough but the home wins against Leeds, Wolves and Southampton all felt like they had a huge slice of fortune about them as did the draw away to Leicester.

Without doubt several of the younger players don’t look as though they’re improving.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 16 Jan 23 5.15am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

We had the same shots on target as Chelsea so must be doing something right . Their keeper saved them today. More clinical finishing gets us a point at least.

 

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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 16 Jan 23 8.22am Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Eze? Don't rate him. Can see the natural talent but also everything else that is missing from his game. Maybe he'll flower once Zaha has departed and is given responsibility. At the moment we don't the luxury of waiting for a luxury player to come good and provide a level of consistency in each and every game. He's currently consistent at going missing for long periods, got taken off today, it isn't good enough.

I love Eze, but I'm starting to wonder the same. He has bags of ability but we often only get 2 or 3 little cameos a game.

Now I'm sure that is much to do with the players around him, but as much as it pains me to say it, If I was in charge I'd put Hughes in over him at the moment.

 

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View eritheagle's Profile eritheagle Flag Erith 16 Jan 23 9.03am Send a Private Message to eritheagle Add eritheagle as a friend

Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid

True enough but the home wins against Leeds, Wolves and Southampton all felt like they had a huge slice of fortune about them as did the draw away to Leicester.

Without doubt several of the younger players don’t look as though they’re improving.

Agree! The only 2 convincing performances this season were against Villa (thanks Gerrard!) and a poor West Ham team.

 

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View Slimey Toad's Profile Slimey Toad Flag Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 16 Jan 23 9.29am Send a Private Message to Slimey Toad Add Slimey Toad as a friend

Originally posted by MrRobbo

I love Eze, but I'm starting to wonder the same. He has bags of ability but we often only get 2 or 3 little cameos a game.

Now I'm sure that is much to do with the players around him, but as much as it pains me to say it, If I was in charge I'd put Hughes in over him at the moment.

Eze, like Olise, to a team like us is a luxury player. Great in a team with loads of talent, you can afford for them to go missing or not tackle.

 

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 16 Jan 23 9.29am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by MrRobbo

I love Eze, but I'm starting to wonder the same. He has bags of ability but we often only get 2 or 3 little cameos a game.

Now I'm sure that is much to do with the players around him, but as much as it pains me to say it, If I was in charge I'd put Hughes in over him at the moment.

I wonder what role Eze is trying to fulfil under Vieira. Attacking midfielder? I think Eze needs to demand the ball more and not wait for it to come to him, therefore he has to up his workrate. He has the control and the range of pass to bring others into the game. I think he should be more involved in what we try to do. As you mention, it could be the players around him not being on the same wavelength. I'll mention again players who I saw who I think Eze could emulate: Ray Wilkins, Trevor Brooking, Tony Currie. All had a certain skill set and dictated the flow when they were on the ball. They were always in a position to receive the ball and calm under pressure. Further afield Andrea Pirlo has to rate as one of the greatest of the type of player I'm imagining. These players made the game look easy, and so does Eze when he's on it; alas these moments are far too infrequent.

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 16 Jan 23 9.54am Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

The way Eze is being played he’s receiving the ball with his back to goal and either knocks a safe ball back to a teammate or gets caught in possession or gets outnumbered by opponents.
The further he ventures forward the less space he has to operate in.
Roy sought to create more space for him playing him in a deepish inside left position with the likes of Zaha , Schlupp and PVA creating overloads down the left.
We also played with 4 or 5 in midfield so less was expected from him out of possession
Eze can be difficult to dispossess when on the run if he’s allowed to turn with the ball and create a head of steam, but the current system rarely puts him in this position.

I’m not sure he can operate in a midfield 3 in the Premier League, even with two defensive midfielders, particularly if Zaha and Olise are in the front three.
It may look good in theory, but it must be dubious with that line up whether we would be able to recover the ball, track runners and generally compete enough around the field.
As somebody else pointed out, we’re trying to play like Man City or Arsenal, but without the overall quality or squad depth.
To me the question is whether Vieira will tweak the system to try to accommodate Eze.
If not I see Eze continuing to struggle or even losing his place.

 

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