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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 06 Feb 23 10.44am
[Link] Be interesting to see how this develops. My guess is nothing will come of it but them breaching FFP rules must surely be a statement of fact as opposed to an accusation in need of investigation. Again, don't see it being of any real significance but hey ho. Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Nicholas91

The Democratic Republic of Kent 06 Feb 23 10.44am

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Be interesting to see how this develops.

My guess is nothing will come of it but them breaching FFP rules must surely be a statement of fact as opposed to an accusation in need of investigation.

Again, don't see it being of any real significance but hey ho.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Dubai Eagle 06 Feb 23 11.50am
Difficult one to predict - If it comes to nothing the other rich clubs will know they can do what they like - If it comes to a substantial penalty it will just drive rich clubs towards a super league where FFP doesn't exist -

Dubai Eagle

06 Feb 23 11.50am

Difficult one to predict - If it comes to nothing the other rich clubs will know they can do what they like - If it comes to a substantial penalty it will just drive rich clubs towards a super league where FFP doesn't exist -

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 06 Feb 23 12.18pm
I remember when they were a real club vying with us for big crowds in division 2. Now I wouldn't care what happens to them whatsoever. Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 06 Feb 23 12.18pm

I remember when they were a real club vying with us for big crowds in division 2. Now I wouldn't care what happens to them whatsoever.

Red and Blue Army!

Badger11 Beckenham 06 Feb 23 12.22pm
Battle of the lawyers I can see City out spending the FA after all it works for them in football. It is why we need a independent regulator, why has it taken this long to come to light. The FA have been aware of this for years and City have refused to co-operate. Clubs should have an annual licence and to renew it they should provide the FA / PL whatever with their annual accounts and tax returns (clubs that ago bust nearly always stiff the tax man). Any club not co-operating should have their licence suspended with the threat it is removed completely. Any club that is not viable likewise. This would force clubs to behave in a financially responsible way as happens in Germany. My prediction is that years from now City will get a slap of the wrist. They should remove all their trophies and amend the records. Edited by Badger11 (06 Feb 2023 12.23pm) One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 06 Feb 23 12.22pm

Battle of the lawyers I can see City out spending the FA after all it works for them in football.

It is why we need a independent regulator, why has it taken this long to come to light. The FA have been aware of this for years and City have refused to co-operate.

Clubs should have an annual licence and to renew it they should provide the FA / PL whatever with their annual accounts and tax returns (clubs that ago bust nearly always stiff the tax man).

Any club not co-operating should have their licence suspended with the threat it is removed completely. Any club that is not viable likewise. This would force clubs to behave in a financially responsible way as happens in Germany.

My prediction is that years from now City will get a slap of the wrist. They should remove all their trophies and amend the records.

Edited by Badger11 (06 Feb 2023 12.23pm)

One more point

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 06 Feb 23 12.40pm
Is this a line in the sand for football? I doubt it. Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 06 Feb 23 12.40pm

Is this a line in the sand for football? I doubt it.

Red and Blue Army!

Pierre Purley 06 Feb 23 12.44pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC Is this a line in the sand for football? I doubt it. Well if it is-the owners of Man City have plenty of that as well as money!

Pierre

Purley 06 Feb 23 12.44pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Is this a line in the sand for football? I doubt it.

Well if it is-the owners of Man City have plenty of that as well as money!

Dan Theolmesdaleroad Up north 06 Feb 23 1.09pm
Maybe Everton won't have the best stadium in the Championship after all!

Dan Theolmesdaleroad

Up north 06 Feb 23 1.09pm

Maybe Everton won't have the best stadium in the Championship after all!

Painter Croydon 06 Feb 23 1.29pm
City have a track record of cheating, but have expensive lawyers that run rings round the FA. They have been charged before, but don’t care and carry on. Nothing will happen, as if they get banned, other clubs will claim they should of won the Premier or not got relegated due to results against City.

Painter

Croydon 06 Feb 23 1.29pm

City have a track record of cheating, but have expensive lawyers that run rings round the FA. They have been charged before, but don’t care and carry on.

Nothing will happen, as if they get banned, other clubs will claim they should of won the Premier or not got relegated due to results against City.

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 06 Feb 23 1.45pm
Originally posted by Pierre Well if it is-the owners of Man City have plenty of that as well as money! I'm sure they do mate. Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 06 Feb 23 1.45pm

Originally posted by Pierre

Well if it is-the owners of Man City have plenty of that as well as money!

I'm sure they do mate.

Red and Blue Army!

The Dolphin 06 Feb 23 3.39pm
One or t'other is lying! The FA say that Man City have not co-operated at all but they say they have. 100 breaches or whatever - pretty serious if so. City can definitely outspend the FA, that's for sure! It should be easy but it won't be and will still be hanging around for years to come.

The Dolphin

06 Feb 23 3.39pm

One or t'other is lying!
The FA say that Man City have not co-operated at all but they say they have.
100 breaches or whatever - pretty serious if so.
City can definitely outspend the FA, that's for sure!
It should be easy but it won't be and will still be hanging around for years to come.

Pete53 Hassocks 06 Feb 23 10.49pm
Originally posted by Dubai Eagle Difficult one to predict - If it comes to nothing the other rich clubs will know they can do what they like - If it comes to a substantial penalty it will just drive rich clubs towards a super league where FFP doesn't exist - And I am now beginning to warm to that prospect. Good riddance.

Pete53

Hassocks 06 Feb 23 10.49pm

Originally posted by Dubai Eagle

Difficult one to predict - If it comes to nothing the other rich clubs will know they can do what they like - If it comes to a substantial penalty it will just drive rich clubs towards a super league where FFP doesn't exist -

And I am now beginning to warm to that prospect. Good riddance.

MrRobbo Chaldon 07 Feb 23 10.45am
They will be found guilty of some counts and not others. They will be fined some millions, which to an almost endlessly rich owner is next to pointless. The only way I can see any sort of point deduction is if Arsenal have already won the league, and point deducted are not enough to knock them out the CL. Then everyone can pat themselves on the back on a job well done

MrRobbo

Chaldon 07 Feb 23 10.45am

They will be found guilty of some counts and not others.

They will be fined some millions, which to an almost endlessly rich owner is next to pointless.

The only way I can see any sort of point deduction is if Arsenal have already won the league, and point deducted are not enough to knock them out the CL.

Then everyone can pat themselves on the back on a job well done

Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 07 Feb 23 1.10pm
It will make a mockery of the Premier League regulations if City get away with simply a fine thanks to a serious legal campaign. They need to pay a heavy price, and possible relegation, as a lesson to all the 'moneyed' clubs. The number and scale of the breaches they've made is staggering when you think about it. Since benefitting from the huge injections of Abu Dhabi cash the club has behaved with complete disregard (allegedly) of the rules to, effectively, buy success. All this is quite sickening when we consider how well our beloved Palace have done for a fraction of the cost. Edited by Palace Old Geezer (07 Feb 2023 2.18pm) Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

Palace Old Geezer

Midhurst 07 Feb 23 1.10pm

It will make a mockery of the Premier League regulations if City get away with simply a fine thanks to a serious legal campaign. They need to pay a heavy price, and possible relegation, as a lesson to all the 'moneyed' clubs.

The number and scale of the breaches they've made is staggering when you think about it. Since benefitting from the huge injections of Abu Dhabi cash the club has behaved with complete disregard (allegedly) of the rules to, effectively, buy success.

All this is quite sickening when we consider how well our beloved Palace have done for a fraction of the cost.

Edited by Palace Old Geezer (07 Feb 2023 2.18pm)

Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 07 Feb 23 1.42pm
Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer It will make a mockery of the Premier League regulations if City get away with simply a fine thanks to a serious legal campaign. They need to pay a heavy price, and possible relegation, as a lesson to all the 'moneyed' clubs. The number and scale of the breaches they've made is staggering when you think about it. Since benefitting from the huge injections of Any Dhabi cash the club has behaved with complete disregard (allegedly) of the rules to, effectively, buy success. All this is quite sickening when we consider how well our beloved Palace have done for a fraction of the cost. I'll tell you what makes it worse for me P.O.G is that whilst they may not feel this way at all, if the same were to happen to Palace I would somewhat feel robbed of the club being a fan. There has to be a real connect with a team to truly love it in all it's glory and ugliness. If your club does become the plaything foreign trillionaires, people all over the world wearing the shirts instead of those you instantly deem to be kin when you notice your colours, you can't get a ticket to a league fixture let alone cup final or what have you and all of a sudden the crowd on matchday seems more fitting for the opera than a football game, I'd feel as though a huge part of my identity and an experience I absolutely cherish would have been stolen away from me. It really is football 'selling it's soul' at the end of the day for me as opposed to anything to be celebrated. As someone previously mentioned I would actually welcome a super league if it got rid of some of these teams which now better resemble corporations. My only argument against would be for the true fans who've been disaffected by this. Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Nicholas91

The Democratic Republic of Kent 07 Feb 23 1.42pm

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

The number and scale of the breaches they've made is staggering when you think about it. Since benefitting from the huge injections of Any Dhabi cash the club has behaved with complete disregard (allegedly) of the rules to, effectively, buy success.

All this is quite sickening when we consider how well our beloved Palace have done for a fraction of the cost.

I'll tell you what makes it worse for me P.O.G is that whilst they may not feel this way at all, if the same were to happen to Palace I would somewhat feel robbed of the club being a fan.

There has to be a real connect with a team to truly love it in all it's glory and ugliness. If your club does become the plaything foreign trillionaires, people all over the world wearing the shirts instead of those you instantly deem to be kin when you notice your colours, you can't get a ticket to a league fixture let alone cup final or what have you and all of a sudden the crowd on matchday seems more fitting for the opera than a football game, I'd feel as though a huge part of my identity and an experience I absolutely cherish would have been stolen away from me.

It really is football 'selling it's soul' at the end of the day for me as opposed to anything to be celebrated. As someone previously mentioned I would actually welcome a super league if it got rid of some of these teams which now better resemble corporations. My only argument against would be for the true fans who've been disaffected by this.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

fish mitten Chelmsford 07 Feb 23 1.48pm
The major problem I have with FFP, is that the established 'big clubs' are in favour of it. Man Utd, Liverpool, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Juventus etc it gives them the natural advantage and means other clubs can't buy to compete with them. What's worse a complete closed shop or clubs spending obscene amounts of money to try and break into the cartel of already super rich clubs? Personally, I have found the likes of Chelsea, Man City and now perhaps Newcastle spending to try and break the natural monopoly somewhat refreshing as the likes on Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal remonstrate and complain they may be left without Champions League football. No matter what the league do to Manchester City, it will be established big clubs that benefit, not the Palace's or Fulham's.

fish mitten

Chelmsford 07 Feb 23 1.48pm

The major problem I have with FFP, is that the established 'big clubs' are in favour of it. Man Utd, Liverpool, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Juventus etc it gives them the natural advantage and means other clubs can't buy to compete with them. What's worse a complete closed shop or clubs spending obscene amounts of money to try and break into the cartel of already super rich clubs?
Personally, I have found the likes of Chelsea, Man City and now perhaps Newcastle spending to try and break the natural monopoly somewhat refreshing as the likes on Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal remonstrate and complain they may be left without Champions League football.
No matter what the league do to Manchester City, it will be established big clubs that benefit, not the Palace's or Fulham's.

CrazyBadger Ware 07 Feb 23 2.04pm
Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer It will make a mockery of the Premier League regulations if City get away with simply a fine thanks to a serious legal campaign. They need to pay a heavy price, and possible relegation, as a lesson to all the 'moneyed' clubs. The number and scale of the breaches they've made is staggering when you think about it. Since benefitting from the huge injections of Any Dhabi cash the club has behaved with complete disregard (allegedly) of the rules to, effectively, buy success. All this is quite sickening when we consider how well our beloved Palace have done for a fraction of the cost. I don't think it's clear cut that MCity have broken any rules. they certainly have done the 'right thing' and have attempted to defend themselves - this is no proof on innocence, mind. Remember that The last time Uefa tried to penalise them, the court of Arbitration threw it out as the claims, originating from "Football Leaks, Der Spiegel", were said to be incomplete and biased. I hope the Premier League has not based the 'older claims' on this or other suspect sources, and that their claims can be genuinely proven. If ManCity is cleared of all wrong doing after this the PL will look Rather silly. One thing is clear, FFP is in no way a means to stop clubs buying championships. Financial 'Fair' Play it is not. Nothing about it makes the league fairer. "It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

CrazyBadger

Ware 07 Feb 23 2.04pm

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

All this is quite sickening when we consider how well our beloved Palace have done for a fraction of the cost.

I don't think it's clear cut that MCity have broken any rules. they certainly have done the 'right thing' and have attempted to defend themselves - this is no proof on innocence, mind. Remember that The last time Uefa tried to penalise them, the court of Arbitration threw it out as the claims, originating from "Football Leaks, Der Spiegel", were said to be incomplete and biased.

I hope the Premier League has not based the 'older claims' on this or other suspect sources, and that their claims can be genuinely proven.
If ManCity is cleared of all wrong doing after this the PL will look Rather silly.

One thing is clear, FFP is in no way a means to stop clubs buying championships. Financial 'Fair' Play it is not. Nothing about it makes the league fairer.

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 07 Feb 23 2.16pm
Originally posted by Nicholas91 I'll tell you what makes it worse for me P.O.G is that whilst they may not feel this way at all, if the same were to happen to Palace I would somewhat feel robbed of the club being a fan. There has to be a real connect with a team to truly love it in all it's glory and ugliness. If your club does become the plaything foreign trillionaires, people all over the world wearing the shirts instead of those you instantly deem to be kin when you notice your colours, you can't get a ticket to a league fixture let alone cup final or what have you and all of a sudden the crowd on matchday seems more fitting for the opera than a football game, I'd feel as though a huge part of my identity and an experience I absolutely cherish would have been stolen away from me. It really is football 'selling it's soul' at the end of the day for me as opposed to anything to be celebrated. As someone previously mentioned I would actually welcome a super league if it got rid of some of these teams which now better resemble corporations. My only argument against would be for the true fans who've been disaffected by this. I fully agree with you Nick. Or, as Willo would say 'I concur with these sentiments'. I love the family feel of our club and it would be a travesty if it were lost to money. Mind you, I wouldn't object to one of our owners lobbing £100m into the kitty right now! Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

Palace Old Geezer

Midhurst 07 Feb 23 2.16pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

I'll tell you what makes it worse for me P.O.G is that whilst they may not feel this way at all, if the same were to happen to Palace I would somewhat feel robbed of the club being a fan.

I fully agree with you Nick. Or, as Willo would say 'I concur with these sentiments'.

I love the family feel of our club and it would be a travesty if it were lost to money. Mind you, I wouldn't object to one of our owners lobbing £100m into the kitty right now!

Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

YT Oxford 07 Feb 23 4.11pm
Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer I fully agree with you Nick. Or, as Willo would say 'I concur with these sentiments'. I love the family feel of our club and it would be a travesty if it were lost to money. Mind you, I wouldn't object to one of our owners lobbing £100m into the kitty right now! A perfect demonstration of the paradox that is modern football. Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

Oxford 07 Feb 23 4.11pm

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

I fully agree with you Nick. Or, as Willo would say 'I concur with these sentiments'.

I love the family feel of our club and it would be a travesty if it were lost to money. Mind you, I wouldn't object to one of our owners lobbing £100m into the kitty right now!

A perfect demonstration of the paradox that is modern football.

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 08 Feb 23 11.20am
I see the Qataris now want United. Let them have that one, very few genuine fans there. It does look like the endless money pit of a European Super League looks a more viable product so the rest of us can get back to supporting the clubs that we have a genuine connection to and can experience football in all it's relevance, as opposed to just a spectacle for those who've never really played therefore understood the game. I'd far sooner see our little patch of London play against a team from a little patch of t'north in a true geographical if not cultural battle than the 'Qatari Reds' play the 'Saudi Arabian Magpies' or 'Sceptic Blues'. Edited by Nicholas91 (08 Feb 2023 11.20am) Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Nicholas91

The Democratic Republic of Kent 08 Feb 23 11.20am

I see the Qataris now want United.

Let them have that one, very few genuine fans there.

It does look like the endless money pit of a European Super League looks a more viable product so the rest of us can get back to supporting the clubs that we have a genuine connection to and can experience football in all it's relevance, as opposed to just a spectacle for those who've never really played therefore understood the game.

I'd far sooner see our little patch of London play against a team from a little patch of t'north in a true geographical if not cultural battle than the 'Qatari Reds' play the 'Saudi Arabian Magpies' or 'Sceptic Blues'.

Edited by Nicholas91 (08 Feb 2023 11.20am)

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Stirlingsays 12 Feb 23 6.33am
Interesting summary of the situation. [Link] 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

12 Feb 23 6.33am

Interesting summary of the situation.

[Link]

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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