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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 26 Feb 23 6.33pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

I just watched the highlights on Palace TV (I was at work on Saturday evening). I'm absolutely furious at:-

A lovely tackle by Olise - foul given to Liverpool.

An equally lovely tackle by Clyne - foul given to Liverpool on the edge of the Palace area and yellow card given to Clyne.

Cynical foul by Robertson (on Ayew or was it Olise?) in the corner...immediately flagged by the line-o who receives a barrage of verbal from the Liverpool player for his troubles. Yellow card rightly given for the foul but no second yellow for the verbal. Moments later Anderson gives the ref some verbal and is immediately booked.

The usual cynical rotation fouling by the 'mighty reds'.

Other observations:

Admittedly it was only 14 minutes of selected highlights, but I thought some of our interplay and movement was pretty good - including from the current personae non gratae Schlupp, Ayew and Mateta.

I expected to have to put my head in my hands at the sight of Mateta missing an open goal and hitting the woodwork, however I thought the chance was a 'half-chance' at best and by no means clear-cut. He's a striker who is well below-average, but on this occasion I thought he did well to get a snap-shot in with the defender so close-by.

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 26 Feb 23 6.36pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by YT

Equally maybe Liverpool fans are glad Zaha didn't play

Yes, that's true but of the two I suspect Nunez would've carried more goal threat. As it was Salah,, apart from one shot, was pretty anonymous whereas playing with Nunez the two of then would probably have got more chances.

 

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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 26 Feb 23 6.48pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by YT

I just watched the highlights on Palace TV (I was at work on Saturday evening). I'm absolutely furious at:-

A lovely tackle by Olise - foul given to Liverpool.

An equally lovely tackle by Clyne - foul given to Liverpool on the edge of the Palace area and yellow card given to Clyne.

Cynical foul by Robertson (on Ayew or was it Olise?) in the corner...immediately flagged by the line-o who receives a barrage of verbal from the Liverpool player for his troubles. Yellow card rightly given for the foul but no second yellow for the verbal. Moments later Anderson gives the ref some verbal and is immediately booked.

The usual cynical rotation fouling by the 'mighty reds'.

Other observations:

Admittedly it was only 14 minutes of selected highlights, but I thought some of our interplay and movement was pretty good - including from the current personae non gratae Schlupp, Ayew and Mateta.

I expected to have to put my head in my hands at the sight of Mateta missing an open goal and hitting the woodwork, however I thought the chance was a 'half-chance' at best and by no means clear-cut. He's a striker who is well below-average, but on this occasion I thought he did well to get a snap-shot in with the defender so close-by.

The one that Schlupp passed to him (and from which Mateta hit the bar) was a reasonable chance, but not a sitter. Not sure if the highlights showed it, but Mateta made a terrible mess of a very good chance after Alexander Arnold passed it straight to him about ten minutes earlier.

For me, its his all round game that is so poor. Edouard has been very poor in leading the line, but does at least show the odd glimpse of ability in the box. God knows how bad he must be in training to be behind Mateta.

 

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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 26 Feb 23 7.02pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

The one that Schlupp passed to him (and from which Mateta hit the bar) was a reasonable chance, but not a sitter. Not sure if the highlights showed it, but Mateta made a terrible mess of a very good chance after Alexander Arnold passed it straight to him about ten minutes earlier.

For me, its his all round game that is so poor. Edouard has been very poor in leading the line, but does at least show the odd glimpse of ability in the box. God knows how bad he must be in training to be behind Mateta.

They did show it and yes - I agree that he made a terrible mess of it.

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 26 Feb 23 7.28pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

The one that Schlupp passed to him (and from which Mateta hit the bar) was a reasonable chance, but not a sitter. Not sure if the highlights showed it, but Mateta made a terrible mess of a very good chance after Alexander Arnold passed it straight to him about ten minutes earlier.

For me, its his all round game that is so poor. Edouard has been very poor in leading the line, but does at least show the odd glimpse of ability in the box. God knows how bad he must be in training to be behind Mateta.

Someone in my vicinity commented that Mateta is a "Poor man's Benteke".

In my humble perspective, Mateta is an honest player who doesn't hide,he does keep running and trying and has a positive mental attitude on the pitch, but alas is found wanting at this level at present.

 

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View Elpis's Profile Elpis Flag In a pub 26 Feb 23 7.28pm Send a Private Message to Elpis Add Elpis as a friend

Originally posted by YT

I just watched the highlights on Palace TV (I was at work on Saturday evening). I'm absolutely furious at:-

A lovely tackle by Olise - foul given to Liverpool.

An equally lovely tackle by Clyne - foul given to Liverpool on the edge of the Palace area and yellow card given to Clyne.

Cynical foul by Robertson (on Ayew or was it Olise?) in the corner...immediately flagged by the line-o who receives a barrage of verbal from the Liverpool player for his troubles. Yellow card rightly given for the foul but no second yellow for the verbal. Moments later Anderson gives the ref some verbal and is immediately booked.


Didnt think any of those incidents were fouls let alone yellow card standard . Two good tackles by our lads and to be fair Ayew fell over Robertsons leg , it was far from a cynical foul but rather one that the modern game would decribe as 'won'

In general though there were a lot of fouls given that were not fouls and lots of fouls that were not given . Kieta was lucky to still be on the pitch before he was hooked at half time

 

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View Mathers's Profile Mathers Flag 26 Feb 23 9.53pm Send a Private Message to Mathers Add Mathers as a friend

Itís obvious the plan is to hold back the most talented options in Eze and Edouard, play tight for 60-70 mins knowing full well we arenít scoring with Mateta and Schlupp in our attack, then try and nick it. Big problem is this isnít working! 8 games, 0 wins, 4 goals and averaging 2.75 shots on target per game. A what point do we just play our strongest available XI and attack the game from the off?

Last night was an opportunity missed. At home against a Liverpool team in poor form and sandwiched between their champions league fixtures.

 

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View stevo's Profile stevo Flag Reigate 27 Feb 23 9.57am Send a Private Message to stevo Add stevo as a friend

Originally posted by A89M

Positives:

Lakonga and Doucoure look a good pairing. Lakonga looks very composed on the ball and defensively sound.
Olise is becoming the main creative spark in our team and it looks like heís relishing it, once Wilfs back we have two top wingers.

Defensively sound against a very good attacking team. Weíve now played 7 of the top 10 most recently and only lost to Spurs and Chelsea.

Edited by A89M (25 Feb 2023 10.06pm)

This is correct, come on you cheese rolls.

Let's buy ASM as the Wilf replacement.

 


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View Den1923's Profile Den1923 Flag 27 Feb 23 10.36am Send a Private Message to Den1923 Add Den1923 as a friend

I agree totally that a point against Liverpool, even taking into consideration their own poor run of form recently and not forgetting that Klopp made significant changes to the side that played RM. however let's not get carried away this Liverpool team has had some pretty awful results recently and they are easier to score against that they have been for sometime. Yes, there were positives defensively we were much better and the midfield seemed to be more active, however, we had no shots on target and despite the Olise first class crossing in to the box we still lack players with the vision to anticipate and get in to the box quickly attack the goal. If you watch, most of our forwards seem to stop at the penalty area and just stand around admiring these excellent balls in to the box so having Zaha doing the same from the other wing is not going to help unless PV can come up with a better plan for play in the final third. If we continue to fire blanks then the best we can expect is a point or a loss from each game going forward.

We have, I believe achieved just five points since the start of the year which is equal to Bournemouth and the equal worst of all the teams below us in the table and if that form continues then we have to seriously be concerned for our future in epl.

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 27 Feb 23 10.54am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Den1923

I agree totally that a point against Liverpool, even taking into consideration their own poor run of form recently and not forgetting that Klopp made significant changes to the side that played RM. however let's not get carried away this Liverpool team has had some pretty awful results recently and they are easier to score against that they have been for sometime. Yes, there were positives defensively we were much better and the midfield seemed to be more active, however, we had no shots on target and despite the Olise first class crossing in to the box we still lack players with the vision to anticipate and get in to the box quickly attack the goal. If you watch, most of our forwards seem to stop at the penalty area and just stand around admiring these excellent balls in to the box so having Zaha doing the same from the other wing is not going to help unless PV can come up with a better plan for play in the final third. If we continue to fire blanks then the best we can expect is a point or a loss from each game going forward.

We have, I believe achieved just five points since the start of the year which is equal to Bournemouth and the equal worst of all the teams below us in the table and if that form continues then we have to seriously be concerned for our future in epl.

This is very poignant however there are caveats.

The run in has been dreadful and very difficult. We have a few more to go and I don't envisage any points against the likes of City as lightning already struck there once through Andros Townsend.

As many have said, when the 'easier' games come I anticipate we may well pick up a win or two, as insane a notion as that may seem right now. Our points total from the undesirable run of fixtures is actually not that bad.

As opposed to looking at this concentration of fixtures, if you look at it with greater scope I believe our lack of goals is the dominant problem. We look to be more solid in other areas now which of course massively improves things but not scoring at all, let alone from open play, is something that'll need to be addressed in the close season should we maintain our PL status, which I believe we will.

As previously mentioned on another thread, my concern is that Vieira's philosophical approach for our play is lacking in the intent and ability to put it away. That's my interpretation and concern. It's all well and good trying to play possession based and nice tidy football but it's of little purpose, other than to see out draws, if you're not creating and scoring.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 27 Feb 23 10.56am Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Originally posted by Plaistow Eagle

Donít think either Mateta or Edouard are good enough - think Edouard worth persevering with as IMO there is a player in there somewhere - just looks totally devoid of confidence at the moment.

Thatís why as Iíve said before once Zaha is fit Iíd play a ďfluidĒ front 3 of Zaha, Eze and Olise - on the basis that ATM they are our most likely source of goals..

Plus be exciting to watch..!!

COYP

I'm 100% with you on this.

I think Eze deserved to be dropped, but we do look at bit toothless without him. Now we have 2CM's, he could more easily play wit fredom as the 10. But he's equally done well out wide.

Whilst I don't think Wilf's best position is up top, neither JPM or OE really help the team by holding things up or winning headers. So wilf at least might trouble defenders a little bit more.

So assuming we pick hte team, the question that poses is assuming 2 midfield places are now nailed on. Who's the extra man, Ayew of Jeff? And do they play at 10 or wide left?

 

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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 27 Feb 23 12.10pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by Mathers

Itís obvious the plan is to hold back the most talented options in Eze and Edouard, play tight for 60-70 mins knowing full well we arenít scoring with Mateta and Schlupp in our attack, then try and nick it. Big problem is this isnít working! 8 games, 0 wins, 4 goals and averaging 2.75 shots on target per game. A what point do we just play our strongest available XI and attack the game from the off?

Last night was an opportunity missed. At home against a Liverpool team in poor form and sandwiched between their champions league fixtures.


Except if and when we do this, you can pretty confidently predict that we will get caught on the break a couple of times, losing 0-2, and then everyone will complain that we didn't keep things tight. However we play, we will for the foreseeable future be hamstrung by having poor strikers.

 


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