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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 19 Mar 23 7.12am Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

We started off the season continuing the relatively successful approach of last season in a 433 formation looking to Ďplay between the linesí to use one of Vieiraís favourite phrases.
However, without the high energy midfield of last season and without Gallagherís attacking instincts and goals, the system has not delivered.
Eventually, and probably too late, Vieira seemed to realise this and acknowledged that he needed to change the approach.
He elected to play in a more compact fashion with more direct passes and less play through midfield , but in truth he never looked comfortable with this approach and we seemed to lack much sense of direction or purpose.
Weíre now neither one thing nor the other and this needs to be fixed for the remaining games.

Weaknesses-
We donít have the electric pace or overlapping full backs to be a successful counter attacking team.
We donít have a target man to hit with direct passes to build play with others in support.
We donít have a good enough midfield to dominate possession and often lose the ball through sloppy passing.
We struggle in front of goal

Strengths -
Our centre backs and goalkeeper are as good as any outside the top 6
We have a number of talented individuals who can definitely improve on their performances to date this season
We have some solid professionals who can be relied upon to do a job for the team


Based on the above, what approach should we use for the remaining games?
I would be tempted to use a combination of 442 / 451 using players in their correct positions.
No more Zaha as lone striker nor Schlupp in central midfield.
Quicker and more forward passing and a significant increase in chance creation.
Two holding midfield players giving our forward players a platform to play.
Essentially being organised and being set up to both defend and attack.
Making the best use of our available resources .
It doesnít sound that complicated on paper and football played at itís best is quite a simple game with players making more correct than incorrect decisions.

 

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View Dubai Eagle's Profile Dubai Eagle Flag 19 Mar 23 7.27am Send a Private Message to Dubai Eagle Add Dubai Eagle as a friend

Watch the Brighton game at SP couple weeks ago - Brighton played well, made it look easy, OK they should have made more of their chances & we only got a point because their goalkeeper gave it to us -

Brighton did the basics very well - we should do that.

Originally posted by PatrickA

We started off the season continuing the relatively successful approach of last season in a 433 formation looking to Ďplay between the linesí to use one of Vieiraís favourite phrases.
However, without the high energy midfield of last season and without Gallagherís attacking instincts and goals, the system has not delivered.
Eventually, and probably too late, Vieira seemed to realise this and acknowledged that he needed to change the approach.
He elected to play in a more compact fashion with more direct passes and less play through midfield , but in truth he never looked comfortable with this approach and we seemed to lack much sense of direction or purpose.
Weíre now neither one thing nor the other and this needs to be fixed for the remaining games.

Weaknesses-
We donít have the electric pace or overlapping full backs to be a successful counter attacking team.
We donít have a target man to hit with direct passes to build play with others in support.
We donít have a good enough midfield to dominate possession and often lose the ball through sloppy passing.
We struggle in front of goal

Strengths -
Our centre backs and goalkeeper are as good as any outside the top 6
We have a number of talented individuals who can definitely improve on their performances to date this season
We have some solid professionals who can be relied upon to do a job for the team


Based on the above, what approach should we use for the remaining games?
I would be tempted to use a combination of 442 / 451 using players in their correct positions.
No more Zaha as lone striker nor Schlupp in central midfield.
Quicker and more forward passing and a significant increase in chance creation.
Two holding midfield players giving our forward players a platform to play.
Essentially being organised and being set up to both defend and attack.
Making the best use of our available resources .
It doesnít sound that complicated on paper and football played at itís best is quite a simple game with players making more correct than incorrect decisions.


 

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 19 Mar 23 7.35am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

The ball must move forward instead of side to side and the opposition's defenders and goalkeeper need to be tested for mistakes more often. This requires a level of fitness and abrasion that I'm not so sure the players have at the moment, but it's simple to understand and easily implemented.

 

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i think it will and should be 4-4-2 with Wilf and Olise up front, and defensive midfield 4, counter attack, similar to Wilf and Townie as the two, go for the point, hope for 3, then see who is available and what division we are in at the end.

 


Does anyone know the way? Did we hear someone say?
(We just haven't got a clue what to do!)
Does anyone know the way? There's got to be a way, to Blockbuster


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I also think the fitness of McArthur and Hughes is crucial, as their experience is badly needed, and also i wonder if Luka will regain a bit of form now a PV has gone. they were oil and water.

 


Does anyone know the way? Did we hear someone say?
(We just haven't got a clue what to do!)
Does anyone know the way? There's got to be a way, to Blockbuster


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View thai-eagle's Profile thai-eagle Flag chiang mai 19 Mar 23 8.07am Send a Private Message to thai-eagle Add thai-eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

i think it will and should be 4-4-2 with Wilf and Olise up front, and defensive midfield 4, counter attack, similar to Wilf and Townie as the two, go for the point, hope for 3, then see who is available and what division we are in at the end.

Sounds sensible! Leave Ayew on the bench and put him on for 15 min if we need to defend a fairytale lead (!!!!) Same goes for Schlupp, put him on for 15-20 min if we need to score.

 

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View Uphill's Profile Uphill Flag Bedford 19 Mar 23 9.28am Send a Private Message to Uphill Add Uphill as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

We started off the season continuing the relatively successful approach of last season in a 433 formation looking to Ďplay between the linesí to use one of Vieiraís favourite phrases.
However, without the high energy midfield of last season and without Gallagherís attacking instincts and goals, the system has not delivered.
Eventually, and probably too late, Vieira seemed to realise this and acknowledged that he needed to change the approach.
He elected to play in a more compact fashion with more direct passes and less play through midfield , but in truth he never looked comfortable with this approach and we seemed to lack much sense of direction or purpose.
Weíre now neither one thing nor the other and this needs to be fixed for the remaining games.

Weaknesses-
We donít have the electric pace or overlapping full backs to be a successful counter attacking team.
We donít have a target man to hit with direct passes to build play with others in support.
We donít have a good enough midfield to dominate possession and often lose the ball through sloppy passing.
We struggle in front of goal

Strengths -
Our centre backs and goalkeeper are as good as any outside the top 6
We have a number of talented individuals who can definitely improve on their performances to date this season
We have some solid professionals who can be relied upon to do a job for the team


Based on the above, what approach should we use for the remaining games?
I would be tempted to use a combination of 442 / 451 using players in their correct positions.
No more Zaha as lone striker nor Schlupp in central midfield.
Quicker and more forward passing and a significant increase in chance creation.
Two holding midfield players giving our forward players a platform to play.
Essentially being organised and being set up to both defend and attack.
Making the best use of our available resources .
It doesnít sound that complicated on paper and football played at itís best is quite a simple game with players making more correct than incorrect decisions.

It is exactly the lack of such holding midfielders we are in the present mess with a dearth of goals! This has been our weakness since Cabaye left (and Bannon, Hughes before him). I had hoped the introduction of Logonga and Ahamada would rectify this. Of the two Ahamada shows some promise and hopefully he will blossom. If not we could be struggling even with supposedly 'easier' fixtures coming up.

 

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 19 Mar 23 9.32am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

i think it will and should be 4-4-2 with Wilf and Olise up front, and defensive midfield 4, counter attack, similar to Wilf and Townie as the two, go for the point, hope for 3, then see who is available and what division we are in at the end.

Wilf and Olise? This is why you can't be taken seriously.

 

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View joe_cpfc's Profile joe_cpfc Online Flag Basingstoke 19 Mar 23 10.13am Send a Private Message to joe_cpfc Add joe_cpfc as a friend

Whatever formation etc it is there are a few things i'd love to see sorted out.

1: Stop the forwards constantly coming short for a pass. It stops dead any attack that we are trying to build and just ends up going back to the defence or losing possession. Actually put a bit of effort in and make some runs down the wings in the space behind.

2: When going forward get a midfielder or 2 in some space further up the field instead of just standing on the halfway line watching the game.

3: Get the lazy gits pressing for longer than 10 minutes.

4: Drop Schlupp and never let him start again.

5: Have a bloody shot instead of pissing around with it on the edge of the area.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 19 Mar 23 10.23am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by joe_cpfc

Whatever formation etc it is there are a few things i'd love to see sorted out.

1: Stop the forwards constantly coming short for a pass. It stops dead any attack that we are trying to build and just ends up going back to the defence or losing possession. Actually put a bit of effort in and make some runs down the wings in the space behind.

2: When going forward get a midfielder or 2 in some space further up the field instead of just standing on the halfway line watching the game.

3: Get the lazy gits pressing for longer than 10 minutes.

4: Drop Schlupp and never let him start again.

5: Have a bloody shot instead of pissing around with it on the edge of the area.

6. Try crossing the ball (instead of cutting inside and then not having a shot running into traffic and then passing back to the halfway line).

 


One more point

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 19 Mar 23 10.28am Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

Agree with all points other than 4) and even on that one I can see where you're coming from!
I find it interesting with Dyche, who's very much seen as a 442 merchant, but has adapted at Everton in the absence of avaliable or good enough strikers.
His front 3 is now Iwobi, Gray and McNeil, which shouldn't strike fear into the opposition, but they're getting results.
Organisation and clarity of direction can compensate for weaknesses.

Originally posted by joe_cpfc

Whatever formation etc it is there are a few things i'd love to see sorted out.

1: Stop the forwards constantly coming short for a pass. It stops dead any attack that we are trying to build and just ends up going back to the defence or losing possession. Actually put a bit of effort in and make some runs down the wings in the space behind.

2: When going forward get a midfielder or 2 in some space further up the field instead of just standing on the halfway line watching the game.

3: Get the lazy gits pressing for longer than 10 minutes.

4: Drop Schlupp and never let him start again.

5: Have a bloody shot instead of pissing around with it on the edge of the area.

 

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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 19 Mar 23 10.31am Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by joe_cpfc

Whatever formation etc it is there are a few things i'd love to see sorted out.

1: Stop the forwards constantly coming short for a pass. It stops dead any attack that we are trying to build and just ends up going back to the defence or losing possession. Actually put a bit of effort in and make some runs down the wings in the space behind.

2: When going forward get a midfielder or 2 in some space further up the field instead of just standing on the halfway line watching the game.

3: Get the lazy gits pressing for longer than 10 minutes.

4: Drop Schlupp and never let him start again.

5: Have a bloody shot instead of pissing around with it on the edge of the area.

Indeed.

 

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