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View Canterbury Palace's Profile Canterbury Palace Flag Whitstable 20 Mar 23 11.08am Send a Private Message to Canterbury Palace Add Canterbury Palace as a friend

It probably hasn't escaped your notice but our strikers aren't very good at scoring.

Odsonne Edouard has 3 goals and 2 assists in 1278 Premier League minutes this season, or a goal contribution every 426 minutes.

Jean-Philippe Mateta has one goal and no assists in 686 minutes.

It's put us in the situation where we, alongside Wolves and Everton, are the joint lowest scorers in the Premier League.

Is it time to basically give up on this pair finding some goalscoring form and try to find a system that works without them?

My theory is that we should start playing something like the following...

Guaita

Richards - Guehi - Andersen

Clyne --------------------------------- Mitchell

Lokonga - Doucoure

Olise - Eze - Zaha


... with the fullbacks giving us some width and the three front players rotating the false nine role. Kind of similar to what Man City had to do prior to Haaland arriving, except we'd obviously be a very low rent, bottom half version.

Zaha has never been prolific at assisting and, although I think Olise has a good delivery on him, when he does put it in the strikers are so woefully out of form that they can't convert anyway.

Feel like rather than trying to service ineffective forwards, these three players, who have 12 of our 22 goals between them, would be better served running at defences and having a go themselves.

Edited by Canterbury Palace (20 Mar 2023 11.08am)

 


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View BenTheEagle's Profile BenTheEagle Flag Balham 20 Mar 23 11.19am Send a Private Message to BenTheEagle Add BenTheEagle as a friend

I've been thinking similar, although I don't particularly like Wilf up front he's got to be better than Eddy and JP. If nothing else his reputation worries defenders.

The only issue with the 5 at the back is that I don't feel our full backs are capable of supplying that width, they are okay going forward but it's by no means their strength nor something id rely on them supplying.

I'd be tempted to go with this:

Guaita

Clyne Andersen Guehi Mitchell

Doucoure Lokonga

Olise Eze Ahamada

Wilf

Ahamada seems to have been subbed on for one of those attacking 3 and when's he's come on he's looked to run at defenders and try to make something happen. Got to be worth a go?

Edited by BenTheEagle (20 Mar 2023 11.20am)

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 20 Mar 23 11.20am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

I was under the impression we'd been playing without a striker for some time now?

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 20 Mar 23 11.27am Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Originally posted by Canterbury Palace

It probably hasn't escaped your notice but our strikers aren't very good at scoring.

Odsonne Edouard has 3 goals and 2 assists in 1278 Premier League minutes this season, or a goal contribution every 426 minutes.

Jean-Philippe Mateta has one goal and no assists in 686 minutes.

It's put us in the situation where we, alongside Wolves and Everton, are the joint lowest scorers in the Premier League.

Is it time to basically give up on this pair finding some goalscoring form and try to find a system that works without them?

My theory is that we should start playing something like the following...

Guaita

Richards - Guehi - Andersen

Clyne --------------------------------- Mitchell

Lokonga - Doucoure

Olise - Eze - Zaha


... with the fullbacks giving us some width and the three front players rotating the false nine role. Kind of similar to what Man City had to do prior to Haaland arriving, except we'd obviously be a very low rent, bottom half version.

Zaha has never been prolific at assisting and, although I think Olise has a good delivery on him, when he does put it in the strikers are so woefully out of form that they can't convert anyway.

Feel like rather than trying to service ineffective forwards, these three players, who have 12 of our 22 goals between them, would be better served running at defences and having a go themselves.

Edited by Canterbury Palace (20 Mar 2023 11.08am)

Whilst the strikers aren't great I don't think this solves any of our issues.

Our fullbacks are fullbacks and bang average ones, neither are capable of being a real attacking outlet.

Our biggest issue is that we don't create enough chances. Inverted wingers, too slow in the build up.

IMO its the style of play that's hurting us more than the attacking personnel


 

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View mtp1958's Profile mtp1958 Flag Grays 20 Mar 23 11.35am Send a Private Message to mtp1958 Add mtp1958 as a friend

Guaita
Richards - Guehi - Andersen
Clyne --------------------------------- Mitchell
Lokonga - Doucoure
Olise - Eze - Zaha

would go for that but still like a striker

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 20 Mar 23 11.49am Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

If you are going to try something completely different then I would do this and play wing backs who can actually get up the pitch. Our current fullbacks have no chance playing alongside a back three.

Guaita

Richards, Anderson, Guehi

Ayew, Doucoure, Eze, Lokonga, Schlupp

Olise, Zaha

You can swap Hughes or Ahamada into this lineup if you wish. I think Jimmy Mc is finished. Adaramola looked like an attacking left back in his few cameo appearances so maybe he would work as a wingback.

 

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View eaglesdare's Profile eaglesdare Flag 20 Mar 23 11.50am Send a Private Message to eaglesdare Add eaglesdare as a friend

When we played with Townsend and Zaha up front a few years back I thought we played some of our best football under hodgson.....

 

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View thai-eagle's Profile thai-eagle Flag chiang mai 20 Mar 23 12.16pm Send a Private Message to thai-eagle Add thai-eagle as a friend

Originally posted by mtp1958

Guaita
Richards - Guehi - Andersen
Clyne --------------------------------- Mitchell
Lokonga - Doucoure
Olise - Eze - Zaha

would go for that but still like a striker

Worth a try. Seems our so-called strikers are just...striking. Would try to fit in Hughes and Ahamada as well.

 

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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 20 Mar 23 1.53pm Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

i think you are right, whatever formation is played we will have more chance of scoring and winning if Wilf, Olise and Eze are playing and Edouard, Mateta and Ayew are not.

 


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View EddieMac's Profile EddieMac Flag 20 Mar 23 2.00pm Send a Private Message to EddieMac Add EddieMac as a friend

Wev played without a striker the last 5 years or more

 

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View ambrose7's Profile ambrose7 Flag Croydon 20 Mar 23 2.54pm Send a Private Message to ambrose7 Add ambrose7 as a friend

If we play without a striker who can hold the ball up (Mateta is the closest we have), then we have to play higher up the pitch.

In short, that means we have to (1) press very high; (2) in doing so be prepared to leave our defenders 1 on 1; and (3) if we win the ball in deep areas, be willing to pass the ball around at the back and bring the opposition midfield on to us. All of that creates space to hit the forwards at their feet in space.

We did it last season - we scored twice as many goals but occasionally got caught out at the back with a high line.

If we do all of that, it's absolutely fine to play without an out and out striker. If we're not going to do it, we have to play with a forward who can hold the ball up because we'll end up hitting them with long balls into the channel. That probably means Mateta in a front 2.

 


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View Pierre's Profile Pierre Flag Purley 20 Mar 23 3.20pm Send a Private Message to Pierre Add Pierre as a friend

We could play Richards up front.
He would give opposition defenders more to think about than Mateta, Edouard or Ayew put together.
Mateta & Edouard either can't or don't seem to want to be, physical or try and dominate the space they occupy and both are absolutely useless in the air.
If the pair of them worked in the city and had to get tube trains in the rush hour they would never get to work on time-still be left at the back of the platform every time a train came in and left!
As for Ayew he just runs around in circles and falls over when touched.
might get us free kicks but all of this certainly doesn't get us any goals.

 

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