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View mezzer's Profile mezzer Flag Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 17 May 23 10.32am Send a Private Message to mezzer Add mezzer as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

In today's Times, Martin Samuel claims that '' Roy's had an easy ride '' - Vieira harsh sacking etc etc.

That seems to be the Media stance on the subject.

All the criticism of Vieira's sacking seems to be from those who weren't watching week on week and only looked at the position in the table.

I've had loads of people who support other clubs expressing their surprise at his sacking but they only picked up on his initial effect in his first season.

And what they see and hear in the media.

 


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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 17 May 23 10.41am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by mezzer

All the criticism of Vieira's sacking seems to be from those who weren't watching week on week and only looked at the position in the table.

I've had loads of people who support other clubs expressing their surprise at his sacking but they only picked up on his initial effect in his first season.

And what they see and hear in the media.

Yep.

It is always a view from a distance. It is also a view that can be afforded when you care not as to the fate of the club. Those financially and emotionally invested were less laissez-faire towards the whole thing - perhaps there is a chance (I don't think so myself) we would have been fine under PV but that's not a risk anybody with something to lose was willing to take.

The greatest example of this for me is Garth Crooks or often pundits on MoTD. They remind me of those people who only ever watch YouTube clips of players yet bizarrely assume a superior knowledge of them on this basis. Go to games week in and week out and then let me know what you think. On the very rare occasion Crooks has included a Palace player in his TOTW and provided commentary that avoids his personal opinion on wider matters, it is often all too obvious he hasn't watched anything beyond 3 min highlights of our game

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View Slimey Toad's Profile Slimey Toad Flag Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 17 May 23 11.01am Send a Private Message to Slimey Toad Add Slimey Toad as a friend

Crooks is now saying that it is not enough for Haaland to score a bucket of goals to be seen as one of the players of the season:

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It is clear to me that this buffoon is desperately trying to cultivate an 'off the wall' eccentric image for himself, in order not to look boring and be just a pundit who gives his opinion on players' abilities and merits (which is all he is - a poor one at that).

Best to ignore the fool.

Edited by Slimey Toad (17 May 2023 11.07am)

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 17 May 23 11.54am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Slimey Toad

Crooks is now saying that it is not enough for Haaland to score a bucket of goals to be seen as one of the players of the season:

[Link]

It is clear to me that this buffoon is desperately trying to cultivate an 'off the wall' eccentric image for himself, in order not to look boring and be just a pundit who gives his opinion on players' abilities and merits (which is all he is - a poor one at that).

Best to ignore the fool.

Edited by Slimey Toad (17 May 2023 11.07am)

Indeed it is.

Less 'off the wall, eccentric' for me though ST and more of an arrogant, 'I am a distinguished gentlemen of superior footballing and all else knowledge, therefore listen to my views which will of course differ from the rest of you plebs, given I am a superior being'.

"Shut up mate you're boring" - Daniel Dyer, The Football Factory.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View Eden Eagle's Profile Eden Eagle Flag Kent 18 May 23 6.46am Send a Private Message to Eden Eagle Add Eden Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Painter

I don’t think being in 12th place constitutes being at the bottom.


It was so tightly packed near the bottom at that point - I think we were 3 points above the drop and at the time we were losing to Leicester in Roy’s first game they were above us in the table.

 

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View h'eagle's Profile h'eagle Flag City of London 18 May 23 6.57pm Send a Private Message to h'eagle Add h'eagle as a friend

The BBC has responded to my complaint as follows:

“Palace brought Roy Hodgson out of retirement to help stave off relegation worries, and Garth’s point was that the next manager will be ‘younger’, if not ‘young’. As such, we’ve changed ‘young’ to ‘younger’….”

A fob off if ever I saw one

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 18 May 23 8.26pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Yes, I consider myself to have been well and truly fobbed too:

Dear Mr YT

Thanks for contacting us about Garth Crooks' latest team of the week on the BBC Sport website (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65490056).

In the section on Eberechi Eze, Garth is referring to Crystal Palace’s need for a new manager for next season and beyond, and the ‘young’ reference was not intended to be loaded criticism of Roy Hodgson.

Palace brought Roy Hodgson out of retirement to help stave off relegation worries, and Garth’s point was that the next manager will be ‘younger’, if not ‘young’. As such, we’ve changed ‘young’ to ‘younger’.

As a pundit for BBC Sport, Garth is employed to provide his expert opinion from a lifetime in football and clearly has his own views on Patrick Vieira’s sacking.

We’d like to thank you for sharing your concerns with us, which we’ve discussed with the team at the Sport website. This helps to inform our ongoing work.

Thanks again and wishing you all the best,

BBC Complaints Team
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View Slimey Toad's Profile Slimey Toad Flag Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 19 May 23 6.21am Send a Private Message to Slimey Toad Add Slimey Toad as a friend

Originally posted by YT

Yes, I consider myself to have been well and truly fobbed too:

Dear Mr YT

Thanks for contacting us about Garth Crooks' latest team of the week on the BBC Sport website (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65490056).

In the section on Eberechi Eze, Garth is referring to Crystal Palace’s need for a new manager for next season and beyond, and the ‘young’ reference was not intended to be loaded criticism of Roy Hodgson.

Palace brought Roy Hodgson out of retirement to help stave off relegation worries, and Garth’s point was that the next manager will be ‘younger’, if not ‘young’. As such, we’ve changed ‘young’ to ‘younger’.

As a pundit for BBC Sport, Garth is employed to provide his expert opinion from a lifetime in football and clearly has his own views on Patrick Vieira’s sacking.

We’d like to thank you for sharing your concerns with us, which we’ve discussed with the team at the Sport website. This helps to inform our ongoing work.

Thanks again and wishing you all the best,

BBC Complaints Team
[Link]

I received this as well, as did everyone else presumably.

Not surprising, and I agree he probably didn't mean to offend Roy, but he was used for his vitriolic attack on the club.

He has his own views on PV's sacking but one is his ethnicity, the BBC cannot pretend otherwise. Palace, as far as I believe, is no way a racist club, so is Crooks fundamentally saying that there is such a dearth of black managers at this present time sacking one is just not 'helpful' despite their current performance? This is just ridiculous and totally impractical.

And changing from 'young' to 'younger' makes all the difference. Let's appoint BFS, he's 'younger'!!

Edited by Slimey Toad (19 May 2023 6.25am)

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 19 May 23 8.11am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

I noticed that john Barnes was at it again on a Simon Jordan podcast.

Apparently he had a better win ration at Celtic (1%) than Steven Gerrard (Rangers) but he got sacked ergo racism.

Sometimes Barnes talks a lot of sense about racism but when it comes to his managerial career he is out with the fairies.

He took over a decent Celtic side and was sacked 8 months later
after the supercally.... defeat. I suspect the form of the team that season was the main reason for his sacking.

Stevie G on the other hand took over a Rangers side that had been second best to Celtic for years. In his second season he won the title and left for a bigger job.

If JB had been hard done by he had plenty of opportunities to correct this travesty and yet his managerial career has hardly been stellar.

Great player but not a good manager, bit like Steveie G really


Edited by Badger11 (19 May 2023 8.11am)

 


One more point

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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 19 May 23 1.38pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

I was about to copy and paste - but yes - I got exactly the same!

 

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View PalaceDaysx's Profile PalaceDaysx Flag London 19 May 23 4.29pm Send a Private Message to PalaceDaysx Add PalaceDaysx as a friend

Originally posted by h'eagle

What has the manager’s age got to do with what Eze and Olise need? Both have pretty much shown with their performances that Roy manages them better than Viera.

Edited by h'eagle (18 May 2023 6.56pm)

It enforces his point more

 

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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 20 May 23 8.50am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

I got that same generic reply.

However, they are picking on the wrong guy here. I've got time on my hands to take it further !

 


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