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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 13 Aug 23 3.06am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

The not fit for purpose Home Office staff ficking up stupid Conservative policies and PR stunts.

Am becomingly increasing annoyed with the " haha, you couldn't make it up " political punditry.

The taxpayers being absolutely screwed by a useless wastrel government, and likely same by next government.

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 13 Aug 23 8.39am Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

I am not apologising for the Tories but the Civil Service and the people that they in turn employ are either politicised or thoroughly incompetent or likely both.
The Home Office are dreadful and most would not get or keep a job in the real world.

Edited by The Dolphin (13 Aug 2023 9.00am)

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 13 Aug 23 10.12am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Blimey, we agree

The Home Office has been run dreadfully for so many years. It may well be the case that recruitment has been poor but I donít see why given where itís based. To me it is the short termism that makes it doubly awful. And that the recent Governments ran out of credible candidates to run it.

Patel, Braverman, Shapps all totally out of their depths and constantly bullied into stupid, resource hungry initiatives that deflect from the business at hand. Plus actually discouraged from dealing with asylum seeker backlogs until it was too late.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 13 Aug 23 10.24am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Blimey, we agree

The Home Office has been run dreadfully for so many years. It may well be the case that recruitment has been poor but I donít see why given where itís based. To me it is the short termism that makes it doubly awful. And that the recent Governments ran out of credible candidates to run it.

Patel, Braverman, Shapps all totally out of their depths and constantly bullied into stupid, resource hungry initiatives that deflect from the business at hand. Plus actually discouraged from dealing with asylum seeker backlogs until it was too late.

The Home Office department is far too large (I mean responsibilities) it has been the hill on which many a politician has died for decades if not longer, it's a poison chalice.

There are so many ticking bombs e.g. policing or immigration I cannot see how a Home Secretary can do anything but firefight.

I just don't understand why they don't split it up they already have junior ministers doing the various roles.

 


One more point

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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 13 Aug 23 10.47am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Blimey, we agree

The Home Office has been run dreadfully for so many years. It may well be the case that recruitment has been poor but I donít see why given where itís based. To me it is the short termism that makes it doubly awful. And that the recent Governments ran out of credible candidates to run it.

Patel, Braverman, Shapps all totally out of their depths and constantly bullied into stupid, resource hungry initiatives that deflect from the business at hand. Plus actually discouraged from dealing with asylum seeker backlogs until it was too late.

So you agree next Govt will likely be just as useless?

That's good to know, people of different view points can have the same opinion on the state of the country's governance and provision of services

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 13 Aug 23 10.52am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

So you agree next Govt will likely be just as useless?

That's good to know, people of different view points can have the same opinion on the state of the country's governance and provision of services

Not necessarily. This government in particular is hamstrung by its populism, which is how it got into power

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 13 Aug 23 12.46pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Not necessarily. This government in particular is hamstrung by its populism, which is how it got into power

This really is a nonsense.

Labour have flipped so much that they must have a concussion.
They will literally contradict themselves on the same day to appeal to different voters.

I'm sure the left wing civil service will suddenly find another gear when they get in. The only problem is that the Labour cabinet is the worst collection of insufferable halfwits that I have ever seen.

The Tories will only regain popularity by being in opposition. It just takes a taste of socialism for the floaters in every generation to try and avoid it for their lifetime.

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 13 Aug 23 1.11pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Noticeable avoidance of the conservative party incompetence thread.

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 13 Aug 23 1.51pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Home Office, NHS, any corporate body really. Infected from top to bottom by a culture of managerialism underpinned by an obsession with credentials.

Entire swathes of management whose sole interest is in maintaining their own status. The organisations become effectively two tier organisations.

The first tier is operational. The people who actually do the job. The ones who repair, create, provide a service, etc the widget involved. And probably above them, maybe a couple of levels of direct supervisory over-sight.

But then...where it gets interesting. Restricted primarly to a Graduate class, primarily middle class, primarily people who have never actually done the job. Operating on a completely different level and effectively sucking the lifeblood out of anything innovative because they are risk-averse. Only interested in stats, because that is the only criteria they themselves are judged upon, and willing to manipulate those rather than having any kind of interest in outcomes.

Operating in a kind of bureaucratic freemasonry. Slavishly following whatever the current political zeitgeist of the day because of an almost inherent anxiety about standing out.

Wiith promotion primarily decided not on actual results but rather a perception of them alongside utter and complete adherence to what is the flavour of the month. With the later actually more important.

Not necessarily an uncommon phenomenon but a definite sign of an end-stage civilization.

Saw a claim recently that on the eve of the fall of Constantinople, the people tasked with heading up its defence were debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. As to the veracity of that, would not like to say but as a metaphor, I think it has some value with what we are seeing in the West now.

Oddly enough a Starmer led Government might actually lead to some efficiencies, in the short term at least, because Starmer represents this kind of managerial caste, along with the current Labour Party itself, so institutions such as the Home Office might actually be more willing to do as bid but the rot remains the same.

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 13 Aug 23 2.07pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

'Rotten as a pear'.

Everything, basically.

Nobody could get to grips with the HO, it is kafkaesque.

In your daily dealings you are most likely to be talking to one of the many agencies including the bibby thing which will be staffed by them.

God knows how much this all costs it is like they created it deliberately but has mushroomed out of control in the past decade, it is really a new tory industry.

Inhumanity, getting tough, feeding the voters prejudices, totally useless at problem-solving.

This would have been better handled by Labour, but they are back-tracking on most things.

 

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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 13 Aug 23 2.07pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Matov. What an insightful post that you've made. Putting far more eloquently and precisely what I would have made into pages of subdivisions.
No-one will rock the boat, because they are scared of potential change.

 


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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 13 Aug 23 2.13pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

I was asked to do something a certain way by my Local Authority employer, a few weeks back.
I questioned why I should be following conventions as my methodology had many immediate benefits over the existing methodology.
"You should do it this way, because this is the way the system best operates, and it's evolved over years."

Me : "so you don't ever question the system ?"

Manager: "This is the way we work"

 


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