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John Pilger


PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 31 Dec 23 3.10pm

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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 31 Dec 23 6.34pm

'A brilliant freelance journalist and ferocious holder of the powerful to proper account'.

I can't think of anybody like him now.

The bombed, the victims of war, he was on their side and called out the United States in particular in Vietnam.

RIP


 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 31 Dec 23 10.07pm

A commie - like you.

 

Tunbridge Flag Tunbridge Wells 31 Dec 23 11.34pm

Lovely!

He was an excellent investigative journalist.

 

Matov Flag 01 Jan 24 10.07am

Originally posted by Tunbridge

Lovely!

He was an excellent investigative journalist.


He could certainly write and was more than willing to be the contrarian with no real regard for who he upset but I always wondered if that actually impacted on his ability to truly be an 'excellent' investigative journalist?

For personal reasons was less than enamoured with some of his writings/observations on the Yugoslav wars of the early 90's but always read whatever he wrote on it.

Definitely from what is now a sadly byegone era of journalism in which reporters did set out to actually report rather than just spew out primarily PR.

With this a primary example of what is so relevant today...

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A man who did not allow popular sentiment to cloud his views.

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 01 Jan 24 11.45am

Originally posted by Matov


He could certainly write and was more than willing to be the contrarian with no real regard for who he upset but I always wondered if that actually impacted on his ability to truly be an 'excellent' investigative journalist?

For personal reasons was less than enamoured with some of his writings/observations on the Yugoslav wars of the early 90's but always read whatever he wrote on it.

Definitely from what is now a sadly byegone era of journalism in which reporters did set out to actually report rather than just spew out primarily PR.

With this a primary example of what is so relevant today...

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A man who did not allow popular sentiment to cloud his views.

Fascinating article, thanks I've never seen that, and it's from 2014 really when this started.

Is it right? A lot, but how much I don't know, the point is nobody around now would even dare to write like that.

Btw, Pilger was in the same room, a few feet away, from Bobby Kennedy when he was assassinated in 1968.



 

Matov Flag 01 Jan 24 2.50pm

Originally posted by steeleye20


Is it right? A lot, but how much I don't know, the point is nobody around now would even dare to write like that.


Which is the scary part. Why would the notion of 'dare' come into play?

That article is from just 10 years ago and I deliberately chose it because it shows how Pilger only really ever sang from his own hymn sheet rather than fall into the usual Left/Right dichotomy.

Again, have to reiterate how I had my own issues with how he has covered certain stories but I always paid attention to what he did because he made an argument rather than trying to emotionally brow-beating people into accepting a narrative.

We truly have lost something crucial in how we conduct our society, no matter what your politics are.

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 02 Jan 24 11.19am

Originally posted by Matov

Which is the scary part. Why would the notion of 'dare' come into play?

That article is from just 10 years ago and I deliberately chose it because it shows how Pilger only really ever sang from his own hymn sheet rather than fall into the usual Left/Right dichotomy.

Again, have to reiterate how I had my own issues with how he has covered certain stories but I always paid attention to what he did because he made an argument rather than trying to emotionally brow-beating people into accepting a narrative.

We truly have lost something crucial in how we conduct our society, no matter what your politics are.

About 95% left 5% right.

 

Glazier#1 Flag 02 Jan 24 12.41pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

A commie - like you.

I'm wondering, George, what you define as 'a commie'.

Could you please give an absolute definition of what a 'commie' is?

Happy New Year to you.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 02 Jan 24 12.52pm

Originally posted by Glazier#1

I'm wondering, George, what you define as 'a commie'.

Could you please give an absolute definition of what a 'commie' is?

Happy New Year to you.

duplicate.

Edited by georgenorman (02 Jan 2024 12.56pm)

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 02 Jan 24 12.55pm

Originally posted by Glazier#1

I'm wondering, George, what you define as 'a commie'.

Could you please give an absolute definition of what a 'commie' is?

Happy New Year to you.

I can’t give you an ‘absolute definition’ of the word, can anyone give an absolute definition of most words.
I can give you my own interpretation of the word. It is of course a derogatory word short for ‘communist’. These days most people don’t openly preach communist solutions as it’s pretty clear that they have been proven to be disastrous, although Steeleye does seem to cling on to the nonsense. Commies tend to say that communism wasn't that bad really and has never been implemented properly and still think that the state running everything would be great.
With regard to Pilger, he generally took an anti-US, anti-Western stance on practically all issues which is a key characteristic of the modern ‘commies’. However, he did sometimes come out with some unexpected things, like his defence of Trump at times. So perhaps not an out and out 'commie' but certainly a fellow traveller.
And a Happy New Year to you too.

Edited by georgenorman (02 Jan 2024 12.58pm)

 

Glazier#1 Flag 02 Jan 24 1.10pm

I think, perhaps, that you need to find another word to fit what you are describing, to save confusion.

It seems insufficient to label anybody who espouses left-wing, socialist ideas as communist; it is inaccurate and, dare I say, could be considered lazy. Communist is a definite, absolute term that relates to the poltical doctrine of Marl Marx and the Communist Manifesto, published in 1848. This is very precise and hardly describes the people you ascribe it to.

Hope you don't mind me saying.

Edited by Glazier#1 (02 Jan 2024 1.10pm)

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 02 Jan 24 1.56pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

A commie - like you.

'Colonel Blink - the short-sighted gink'.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 02 Jan 24 6.26pm

Originally posted by Glazier#1

I think, perhaps, that you need to find another word to fit what you are describing, to save confusion.

It seems insufficient to label anybody who espouses left-wing, socialist ideas as communist; it is inaccurate and, dare I say, could be considered lazy. Communist is a definite, absolute term that relates to the poltical doctrine of Marl Marx and the Communist Manifesto, published in 1848. This is very precise and hardly describes the people you ascribe it to.

Hope you don't mind me saying.

Edited by Glazier#1 (02 Jan 2024 1.10pm)

Socialist and Communist economic ideas are more or less the same. State control of practically everything, ‘equality’ (whatever that is). All sorts of unlikely people were communists, Picasso, Jean-Paul Sartre and Nelson Mandela spring to mind.
I agree that labelling all the left as ‘commies’ is lazy, as is labelling all the right as fascists, racists etc.
I don’t mind you saying at all, why should I?

Edited by georgenorman (02 Jan 2024 6.27pm)

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 02 Jan 24 6.28pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

'Colonel Blink - the short-sighted gink'.

You are like the second coming of Oscar Wilde.

 


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