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steeleye20 Croydon 20 Jan 24 5.43pm
Not totally because in a few years' time the new electric furnace will be up and running, but the lost customers may not return. The UK loses its ability to produce its own virgin steel, the only G20 member not to be able to do so. £500 millions up the spout, a disaster for 3,000 families, a Brexit bonus for India and China's exports. Another fine tory privatised mess. [Link]
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Croydon 20 Jan 24 5.43pm

Not totally because in a few years' time the new electric furnace will be up and running, but the lost customers may not return.

The UK loses its ability to produce its own virgin steel, the only G20 member not to be able to do so.

£500 millions up the spout, a disaster for 3,000 families, a Brexit bonus for India and China's exports.

Another fine tory privatised mess.

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cryrst The garden of England 20 Jan 24 6.03pm
Reduces the carbon footprint per ton by 80%. I thought saving the planet didn’t have a cost so half a billion and 3 k job losses is just collateral damage for saving the dolphins! Nothing to see here.
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The garden of England 20 Jan 24 6.03pm

Reduces the carbon footprint per ton by 80%.
I thought saving the planet didn’t have a cost so half a billion and 3 k job losses is just collateral damage for saving the dolphins!
Nothing to see here.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 20 Jan 24 9.59pm
Originally posted by cryrst Reduces the carbon footprint per ton by 80%. I thought saving the planet didn’t have a cost so half a billion and 3 k job losses is just collateral damage for saving the dolphins! Nothing to see here. unlikely. The same volume of steel will just be made in another country by some other c..nt. Eze Peasy at Anfield....
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Originally posted by cryrst

unlikely. The same volume of steel will just be made in another country by some other c..nt.

Eze Peasy at Anfield....

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 21 Jan 24 1.17am
I drive past Port Talbot a few times a month. A strange town, totally dominated by the steelworks. It's not just the direct job losses. It'll massively impact local shops, services and suppliers. No-one is going to wait around for a new massive industry to become established. They have mouths to feed and bills to pay. But they won't be able to relocate, because house prices will tumble to a new low. And action to mitigate this could have been undertaken a long time ago. Poor b'stads. "The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak
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I drive past Port Talbot a few times a month. A strange town, totally dominated by the steelworks.
It's not just the direct job losses. It'll massively impact local shops, services and suppliers.
No-one is going to wait around for a new massive industry to become established. They have mouths to feed and bills to pay. But they won't be able to relocate, because house prices will tumble to a new low.
And action to mitigate this could have been undertaken a long time ago. Poor b'stads.

"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak

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Dubai Eagle 21 Jan 24 5.50am
I was down there just couple months ago & was going to say the same the steel works is the only big employer down there, can you imagine being a family down there with a couple of soon to be school leavers, what prospects for them. Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly I drive past Port Talbot a few times a month. A strange town, totally dominated by the steelworks. It's not just the direct job losses. It'll massively impact local shops, services and suppliers. No-one is going to wait around for a new massive industry to become established. They have mouths to feed and bills to pay. But they won't be able to relocate, because house prices will tumble to a new low. And action to mitigate this could have been undertaken a long time ago. Poor b'stads.
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21 Jan 24 5.50am

I was down there just couple months ago & was going to say the same the steel works is the only big employer down there, can you imagine being a family down there with a couple of soon to be school leavers, what prospects for them.

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 21 Jan 24 8.07am
you wouldn't live in Port Talbot by choice. The only reason you'd live there is a connection to the steelworks. (photo is a view from the M4 flyover) House prices were already low. With no supporting industry, house prices will sink further and no-one will be able to get out. This is a truly massive c0ck-up by HMG in allowing this to happen, and I have no doubt they knew ages ago about Tata's plans. Stuff like this is planned a few years in advance by most multi-national businesses. Attachment: Port Talbot 28.4.23 - cropped.jpg (19.99Kb) "The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak
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in a hidey-hole 21 Jan 24 8.07am

you wouldn't live in Port Talbot by choice. The only reason you'd live there is a connection to the steelworks. (photo is a view from the M4 flyover)
House prices were already low. With no supporting industry, house prices will sink further and no-one will be able to get out.
This is a truly massive c0ck-up by HMG in allowing this to happen, and I have no doubt they knew ages ago about Tata's plans. Stuff like this is planned a few years in advance by most multi-national businesses.

Attachment: Port Talbot 28.4.23 - cropped.jpg (19.99Kb)

"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak

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cryrst The garden of England 21 Jan 24 8.29am
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio unlikely. The same volume of steel will just be made in another country by some other c..nt. My point really was that the climate warriors won’t give a toss. It’s the sort of thing that drivers are having to put up with daily. Ulez and all that crap. The brainwashing of how we are all going to die if emmisons aren’t cut is coming home to roost. Other countries aren’t following the same bull crap so good luck to them.
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The garden of England 21 Jan 24 8.29am

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

unlikely. The same volume of steel will just be made in another country by some other c..nt.

My point really was that the climate warriors won’t give a toss. It’s the sort of thing that drivers are having to put up with daily. Ulez and all that crap.
The brainwashing of how we are all going to die if emmisons aren’t cut is coming home to roost. Other countries aren’t following the same bull crap so good luck to them.

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The Dolphin 21 Jan 24 8.50am
I agree with Steeleye for once. Tata have taken useless Government negotiators to the cleaners on this. Change is the way of the world but to say this has been badly managed would be an understatement. Tata bosses laughing all the way to their offshore accounts. I feel very sorry for the affected families on this one.
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21 Jan 24 8.50am

I agree with Steeleye for once.
Tata have taken useless Government negotiators to the cleaners on this.
Change is the way of the world but to say this has been badly managed would be an understatement.
Tata bosses laughing all the way to their offshore accounts.
I feel very sorry for the affected families on this one.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 21 Jan 24 1.17pm
Originally posted by cryrst My point really was that the climate warriors won’t give a toss. It’s the sort of thing that drivers are having to put up with daily. Ulez and all that crap. The brainwashing of how we are all going to die if emmisons aren’t cut is coming home to roost. Other countries aren’t following the same bull crap so good luck to them. The irish Government put a heavy tax on old emissions vehicles. Meaning that if you bought a flash 2 litre Audi in 2006, it was soon worth a pittance....even with low mileage. Resale value of nearly nothing. A mechanic friend told me they were all being bought up and exported to Africa to work as Taxi's. Hence a government policy to reduce emissions merely moves them to a different part of the Sky. British Steel ? its surprising it lasted as long as it did. Isn't all heavy industry now gone to China ? Eze Peasy at Anfield....
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south pole 21 Jan 24 1.17pm

Originally posted by cryrst

The irish Government put a heavy tax on old emissions vehicles. Meaning that if you bought a flash 2 litre Audi in 2006, it was soon worth a pittance....even with low mileage. Resale value of nearly nothing.
A mechanic friend told me they were all being bought up and exported to Africa to work as Taxi's.
Hence a government policy to reduce emissions merely moves them to a different part of the Sky.

British Steel ? its surprising it lasted as long as it did. Isn't all heavy industry now gone to China ?

Eze Peasy at Anfield....

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Hrolf The Ganger 21 Jan 24 2.42pm
Originally posted by cryrst My point really was that the climate warriors won’t give a toss. It’s the sort of thing that drivers are having to put up with daily. Ulez and all that crap. The brainwashing of how we are all going to die if emmisons aren’t cut is coming home to roost. Other countries aren’t following the same bull crap so good luck to them. The government has subsidised the steel industry for years at taxpayers expense. They paid another load just to keep this steel works open at all. I am concerned about our steel production in relation to military needs, but our steel is just not competitive with China. It produces a massive amount cheaply. If we are to create virgin steel, then we will have to prop it up with a lot of dosh.
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Originally posted by cryrst

The government has subsidised the steel industry for years at taxpayers expense. They paid another load just to keep this steel works open at all.

I am concerned about our steel production in relation to military needs, but our steel is just not competitive with China. It produces a massive amount cheaply.
If we are to create virgin steel, then we will have to prop it up with a lot of dosh.

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Matov 21 Jan 24 2.59pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger The government has subsidised the steel industry for years at taxpayers expense. They paid another load just to keep this steel works open at all. I am concerned about our steel production in relation to military needs, but our steel is just not competitive with China. It produces a massive amount cheaply. But what is the saving? Lets say the country needs X amount of steel for national projects surely its better to buy that steel in the UK even if the price is higher? Purely on the basis that the money remains in circulation in this country? Rather than sending billions out of the country? One of the most fascinating realities of this current debacle between Russia and Ukraine is that due to the supposed 'punishment' of sanctions and stopping exporting all kinds, the Russia economy has boomed because people are buying Russian made goods and reinvesting profits into Russian industry. Saw a claim that Russia has now over-taken Germany in terms of economic output. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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21 Jan 24 2.59pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The government has subsidised the steel industry for years at taxpayers expense. They paid another load just to keep this steel works open at all.

I am concerned about our steel production in relation to military needs, but our steel is just not competitive with China. It produces a massive amount cheaply.

But what is the saving? Lets say the country needs X amount of steel for national projects surely its better to buy that steel in the UK even if the price is higher? Purely on the basis that the money remains in circulation in this country? Rather than sending billions out of the country?

One of the most fascinating realities of this current debacle between Russia and Ukraine is that due to the supposed 'punishment' of sanctions and stopping exporting all kinds, the Russia economy has boomed because people are buying Russian made goods and reinvesting profits into Russian industry. Saw a claim that Russia has now over-taken Germany in terms of economic output.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Hrolf The Ganger 21 Jan 24 3.13pm
Originally posted by Matov But what is the saving? Lets say the country needs X amount of steel for national projects surely its better to buy that steel in the UK even if the price is higher? Purely on the basis that the money remains in circulation in this country? Rather than sending billions out of the country? One of the most fascinating realities of this current debacle between Russia and Ukraine is that due to the supposed 'punishment' of sanctions and stopping exporting all kinds, the Russia economy has boomed because people are buying Russian made goods and reinvesting profits into Russian industry. Saw a claim that Russia has now over-taken Germany in terms of economic output. I certainly would agree that buying British should be encouraged. Self sufficiency wherever possible has to be a good thing in an uncertain world.
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Hrolf The Ganger

21 Jan 24 3.13pm

Originally posted by Matov

I certainly would agree that buying British should be encouraged.

Self sufficiency wherever possible has to be a good thing in an uncertain world.

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