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View Oddball2021's Profile Oddball2021 Flag Adelaide 21 Jan 24 10.54pm Send a Private Message to Oddball2021 Add Oddball2021 as a friend

The banners at the match against Arsenal said it all. Blaming Roy let's the real culprits off the hook and you will get more of the same next season. Much as I agree with many of the criticisms of Roy's methods, he's actually a very good manager compared to a lot of the other twits out there. Crystal Palace managers have been used as smoke screens by CPFC owners for the last ten years. I've said this before a thousand times based solely on what has happened season after season for those ten years. The owners have no ambition other than to stay in the PL and reap the money. I even suspect that they don't want Palace to do TOO well and make the top six, as that would put pressure on them to buy a squad for European football. So, stop being hoodwinked by focusing on Roy, ultimately it's the owners, and if you fall for blaming Roy alone you will get what you deserve: MORE OF THE SAME. Last few games last season we were looking at a top six side EASY, and only needed to tweak a few positions well within our budget. What did the OWNERS do? 26m on an untried forward mid, and 20m on a GK. 46m! So don't fall for it. There is a plan in place. A business plan. And it ain't the BS the supporters are being duped into believing. That's my issue. Not the owner's arguably rightful ambition to just stay in the league at the least expense, but their LIES to the fanbase. Am I right? Or, am I right?

 

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View CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE's Profile CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE Flag bloomfield 22 Jan 24 6.40am Send a Private Message to CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE Add CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE as a friend

Ridiculous. Luton and Bournemouth are playing way better football with meager resources. When Ebs znd Olise came over they were hardly premier league proven! When Roy eventually played Wan bissaka, it was only when Ward was injured and Aaron had put in a transfer request. Roy would never recognize young talent if it was dangled right under his 3 chins.

 

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 22 Jan 24 8.06am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Put simply, if any other manager had been appointed at the beginning of the season we'd be in a better place right now.
So yes, Roy is fully responsible for his part in the current malaise.

 

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View Gregsy's Profile Gregsy Flag Shoreham By Sea 22 Jan 24 8.29am Send a Private Message to Gregsy Add Gregsy as a friend

Without Decoure, Eze and Olise we are a relegation team. For me the problem is not with Roy. The problem is that we have no decent backup when our best players are injured.

 

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View Oddball2021's Profile Oddball2021 Flag Adelaide 22 Jan 24 9.10am Send a Private Message to Oddball2021 Add Oddball2021 as a friend

Originally posted by Gregsy

Without Decoure, Eze and Olise we are a relegation team. For me the problem is not with Roy. The problem is that we have no decent backup when our best players are injured.

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View beak's Profile beak Flag croydon 22 Jan 24 9.16am Send a Private Message to beak Add beak as a friend

Originally posted by CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE

Ridiculous. Luton and Bournemouth are playing way better football with meager resources. When Ebs znd Olise came over they were hardly premier league proven! When Roy eventually played Wan bissaka, it was only when Ward was injured and Aaron had put in a transfer request. Roy would never recognize young talent if it was dangled right under his 3 chins.

[Link] Bournemouth spent a net £126 million before the start of the season.

 

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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 22 Jan 24 9.23am Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Originally posted by beak

[Link] Bournemouth spent a net £126 million before the start of the season.

Which is why they have a better team and squad than us.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 22 Jan 24 9.31am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by beak

[Link] Bournemouth spent a net £126 million before the start of the season.

Another source had their 'Net Spend' as £110 Mill, but either way their outlay has been significant.

Pivotal to their success has been the rejuvenation of Dominic Solanke who only scored 7 goals last season but at present has netted 13 times.

 

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View MonsterMunch's Profile MonsterMunch Flag Cambridge 22 Jan 24 9.37am Send a Private Message to MonsterMunch Add MonsterMunch as a friend

I donít think itís binary. Both are at fault here. We have leadership unwilling or unable to invest in the team. A manager past his sell by date. Not a great combination. We are rock bottom in terms of investment in the team in the league. The is a direct correlation to a teams performance in many cases. But Roy should be doing better with what he has.

 

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View ambrose7's Profile ambrose7 Flag Croydon 22 Jan 24 9.58am Send a Private Message to ambrose7 Add ambrose7 as a friend

Originally posted by MonsterMunch

I donít think itís binary. Both are at fault here. We have leadership unwilling or unable to invest in the team. A manager past his sell by date. Not a great combination. We are rock bottom in terms of investment in the team in the league. The is a direct correlation to a teams performance in many cases. But Roy should be doing better with what he has.

Absolutely. Lack of investment doesn't make us totally unable to defend or score from a set piece.

It is true that the squad should be stronger after 10 years of PL income. It is also true that Dyche is getting far more out of Everton than Hodgson is at Palace with a similar team.

 


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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 22 Jan 24 10.27am Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

The OP has entitled the thread "Don't Blame Roy!). Well I do blame him for what is in his area of control, namely, how he coaches the squad and how he sets us up to play.

He wonders how we always seem to start slowly (and concede the first goal - as I've said elsewhere, something we did more than any other PL team in 2023). Well if your first aim is always to try and stop the other team from scoring instead of trying to score the first goal yourself, what do you expect will happen?

As has been said by many, we are useless in both penalty areas when there are corners. Setting up defensively will (and usually does) result in conceding more corners than under a more progressive system. The game against Arsenal encapsulated this perfectly.

Our full backs seem to have little idea what to do with throw-ins other than (usually) give the ball to the opposition. Rarely do we see quick throw-ins from our players or players moving quickly to find space to receive the ball.

We have one of the worst shot-to-goal conversion rates in the PL.

And what is Hodgson's answer?

"Keep working on what we do in practice lads".

Sorry, his methods are well past their sell-by date IMHO. Football has moved on and it's time he did - into retirement.

Finally, YES, the board has much to answer for but that doesn't let Hodgson off the hook.

 

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View IP4Eagle's Profile IP4Eagle Flag Ipswich 22 Jan 24 10.48am Send a Private Message to IP4Eagle Add IP4Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by doombear

The OP has entitled the thread "Don't Blame Roy!). Well I do blame him for what is in his area of control, namely, how he coaches the squad and how he sets us up to play.

...... Finally, YES, the board has much to answer for but that doesn't let Hodgson off the hook.

100 Percent agree. Spot on.

 

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