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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 04 Feb 24 9.08am Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

We are currently 5 points outside the bottom 3 with a worse goal difference (-14) than any team other than the bottom 2, who I think most agree are on their way down.
Thus it's the 3rd relegation place up for grabs and it looks to be between Luton, Forest, Everton, Brentford and us.
This indicates to me that we are right in the mix.
I would suggest that those clubs currently have more reasons to be optimistic than us.
Those teams have good managers and are showing plenty of fight.
Forest now have their striker back and Brentford have Toney back.
We on the other hand now find ourselves facing a period without Olise, Eze and possibly Guehi.

I would suggest that as a side who doesn't score many, the first thing we have to do is tighten up defensively and stop conceding early goals which we have done 4 times in recrnt games.
We look incapable of keeping a clean sheet.
We neither defend nor attack well.
We look a shambles with players not knowing what they're supposed to do.

Some will say we only need to win the home games v Burnley and Luton which will put us a long way to safety,but on current form that can't be assured.

There needs to be a catalyst for change.
The worry for the club is that Roy shows no sign of getting us out of the malaise as he keeps playing the same way which unsurprisingly is bringing the same results.

There is nothing to suggest he can turn things around.

To get rid of him also carries risks - can we get a suitable replacement,would he get the right response, would it be short term and more upheaval?

We missed the chance to change the manager before the international break which would have given a new manager the opportunity to work with the players.

I think the club will stick with Roy now , but I am not sure what the catalyst for change will be.
It could be touch and go as to whether we survive.

 

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View Davepalace707's Profile Davepalace707 Flag Northumberland 04 Feb 24 9.32am Send a Private Message to Davepalace707 Add Davepalace707 as a friend

I think SP has a plan - which is Forest get points deducted and we scrape by to finish above them. Thatís it.

 

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View DenTyler's Profile DenTyler Flag Sidcup 04 Feb 24 10.14am Send a Private Message to DenTyler Add DenTyler as a friend

It has been bothering me all night. I hate that it winds me up this much but it does because unlike the players, managers and owners us supporters canít just walk away, itís in our blood.

Any other football club in our situation, with the players available to the manager, would make a change. Simple as that. There is talent beyond Olise and Eze but every player to a man is playing way below par. They look unmotivated and who can blame them. Roy is like an energy sponge, sucking the life out of the players. They look lost and devoid of a plan.

Doucoure is a massive loss. But that was months ago that we all new he would be out for the season. SP and DF should have had cover lined up the day the transfer window opened but waited a whole month to get any more bodies in and still not sure it is even like for like cover (a loan of a defensive midfielder should have been a priority).

The goal keeping situation is just bizarre. Every single post this weekend regarding the goal keeper has been to ask why SJ is not playing. Johnston needs to be starting against Chelsea.

Roy has to go. Luton are looking like a team. Brentford have the main man back and unless Forest and Everton get deducted points it is going to be a shoot out and unfortunately we are firing blanks and are leaking goals for fun. We could be f***ed.

15 games to go. We have to assume that we will be without Olise and Eze for a time and cannot assume they will be involved in any significant amount of games. The only thing then that can hopefully work is a new manager bounce.
Big bonus to keep us up with 15 games.

I see the following if no change is made. Maybe enoughÖ maybe not and we could easily get our arses handed to us too.

Chelsea 0pts
Everton 1pt
Burnley 3pts
Spurs 0pts
Luton 1pt
Sandcastle 0pts
Forest 3pts
Bournemouth 1pt
City 0pts
Liverpool 0pts
Wet spam 1pt
Fulham 1pt
Utd 0pt
Wolves 1pt
Villa 0pts

12pts which would give us 36pts. Would this be enough.

Could easily get nothing from Everton, Wolves and Bournemouth based on there form and ours. But on our day we could grab a win against any of them (city and Liverpool unlikely as both going into there run in to be champions).

We absolutely need a change even just so the opposition is not sure which Palace will be turning up .

 

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View palace chick's Profile palace chick Flag South Croydon 04 Feb 24 10.15am Send a Private Message to palace chick Add palace chick as a friend

Sadly this squad without Olise, Eze, Dacoure and now Geuhi arenít good enough to stay up whoever is manager. Our defending, especially from midfield is the weakest I have known for many a season in the premiership. We now have to rely on a 19 year old to be our saviour in his defensive midfield role :-( Sadly I think we are going down unless we can get those injuries back soon?

 

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View Jacey's Profile Jacey Flag 04 Feb 24 10.17am Send a Private Message to Jacey Add Jacey as a friend

Under Hodgson,our only chance of staying up are further points deductions at Everton and Forest for their ridiculous rule breaches.
Our next nine games are optimistically likely to yield some four points as we continue our race to the bottom under Roy.
Cannot see how he can rescue this sinking ship.

 

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 04 Feb 24 10.25am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

I wonder if we are preparing for life in the Championship. There's lot of deadwood to get rid of, there's a few U21s who probably could cut it in the Championship, recent signings seem to suggest that preparation is underway. High earners will be put up for sale and the squad strengthened.
A lick of paint instead of the new stand and we're ready...

 

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View monkey's Profile monkey Flag 04 Feb 24 10.33am Send a Private Message to monkey Add monkey as a friend

Originally posted by DenTyler

It has been bothering me all night. I hate that it winds me up this much but it does because unlike the players, managers and owners us supporters canít just walk away, itís in our blood.

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I do take your point about weíre the ones who are still around for 10/20/30/40 years etc and will still be around in the future, but I disagree with the owner part, itís much easier for us as fans to walk away. We go to watch a game and if itís s***e we can go home and forget about it or at least thereís no pressure on us to sort things out, we have our moans and groans, and then start thinking about the next game and hope it gets better. Much as Parish has made mistakes and it feels like a bit of a s*** show at the moment, heís the one who has all the pressure on him to run the club, balance the books and deal with all the egoís and try and keep the fans happy

 

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View DenTyler's Profile DenTyler Flag Sidcup 04 Feb 24 10.44am Send a Private Message to DenTyler Add DenTyler as a friend

Originally posted by monkey

I do take your point about weíre the ones who are still around for 10/20/30/40 years etc and will still be around in the future, but I disagree with the owner part, itís much easier for us as fans to walk away. We go to watch a game and if itís s***e we can go home and forget about it or at least thereís no pressure on us to sort things out, we have our moans and groans, and then start thinking about the next game and hope it gets better. Much as Parish has made mistakes and it feels like a bit of a s*** show at the moment, heís the one who has all the pressure on him to run the club, balance the books and deal with all the egoís and try and keep the fans happy

Iím actually not one of those that thinks Parish out and I agree that balancing the books and running things properly are essential. But Parrish has made bad, almost terrible decisions this year regarding Roy. We can all see it. The players feel it and the media can see it. A change is needed. Will it happen? Iím not so sure.

We desperately need a lift. As a business, protecting our premiership status is above all else. Parish has always done what it takes to maintain this and I canít for a second think he would risk it. I assume there is a point at which he pushes the button. The 3 points mid week probably bought Roy a defeat against Brighton allowing him to try and get a point at Chelsea. But this tactic could back fire big time. There will come a point in the next couple of games when itís stick it twist.

As for the pressure etc he is under. If I paid myself a bonus on top of my considerable salary in excess of £2 million then I think I could deal with the rough and smooth quite comfortably. The same with Roy.

 

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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 04 Feb 24 10.58am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by DenTyler

Iím actually not one of those that thinks Parish out and I agree that balancing the books and running things properly are essential. But Parrish has made bad, almost terrible decisions this year regarding Roy. We can all see it. The players feel it and the media can see it. A change is needed. Will it happen? Iím not so sure.

We desperately need a lift. As a business, protecting our premiership status is above all else. Parish has always done what it takes to maintain this and I canít for a second think he would risk it. I assume there is a point at which he pushes the button. The 3 points mid week probably bought Roy a defeat against Brighton allowing him to try and get a point at Chelsea. But this tactic could back fire big time. There will come a point in the next couple of games when itís stick it twist.

As for the pressure etc he is under. If I paid myself a bonus on top of my considerable salary in excess of £2 million then I think I could deal with the rough and smooth quite comfortably. The same with Roy.

It's all very well saying that Parish should sack Hodgson. And although I think he's reluctant to do so I think the bigger issue could be that there simply isn't anyone out there that Parish wants to appoint at this time.

The time to have done it would have been after the Arsenal game. The media whipped the Sheffield game up as a ' must win ', but with Olise and Eze we always had a reasonable chance of getting the result.

Then you look at the next two fixtures, Brighton and Chelsea, and my expectation was no points from those games. We look bang on course for that expectation to be met.

I have my doubts about what impact a new manager have on the squad, but the fact is that Roy does not appear to have a solution. It's been one season too many. Not all his fault by any means but certainly he has to take his share of the responsibility.

 


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View Dubai Eagle's Profile Dubai Eagle Flag 04 Feb 24 11.37am Send a Private Message to Dubai Eagle Add Dubai Eagle as a friend

I have been a big supporter of Roy on here, or at the very least I haven't been a Roy out merchant on every post - I will always be grateful for Roy & what he has done for the club but even I thought we needed to make a change after the Everton cup tie
(on the 4th Jan) because it gave us until the 20th Jan which was the Arsenal game to install the new guy & of course maybe exchange ideas during the Jan transfer window -

OK the Everton replay became a fixture which would have interfered a tad, but in principle I still felt it was the right time -

I also hoped that if we were going to pull the trigger we found enough class & decorum to do it in the proper way, affording some public graciousness so Roy could ride off into the sunset with his dignity intact -

My concern now ( by having left it this long) is we are likely to have more "Croydon Roy Sacked having lost the dressing room, the fans & the faith of the board", publicity than anything with any degree of grace.


Originally posted by NEILLO

It's all very well saying that Parish should sack Hodgson. And although I think he's reluctant to do so I think the bigger issue could be that there simply isn't anyone out there that Parish wants to appoint at this time.

The time to have done it would have been after the Arsenal game. The media whipped the Sheffield game up as a ' must win ', but with Olise and Eze we always had a reasonable chance of getting the result.

Then you look at the next two fixtures, Brighton and Chelsea, and my expectation was no points from those games. We look bang on course for that expectation to be met.

I have my doubts about what impact a new manager have on the squad, but the fact is that Roy does not appear to have a solution. It's been one season too many. Not all his fault by any means but certainly he has to take his share of the responsibility.

 

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View davehuggins's Profile davehuggins Flag 04 Feb 24 11.42am Send a Private Message to davehuggins Add davehuggins as a friend

Why recently have we become reliant on 1 or 2 player, last few years Wilf and now Eze and Olise, bad recruitment policy or bad coaching?? Other mid table sides cope with injuries so why not us I ask?????

 

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View CPFC1965's Profile CPFC1965 Flag Warrington 04 Feb 24 12.05pm Send a Private Message to CPFC1965 Add CPFC1965 as a friend

I would rather us go to Chelsea, give them a game and if we lose so be it, at least we tried. If Roy's still in charge,we'll be set up not to concede, invariably will and predictably surrender with a whimper. Bring Cooper in for 15 games and see where we are at season end, Allardyce even.

Parrish and the board are the ones who have the most to lose They must know the consequences of relegation , the loss of revenue, the value of the club decreases, they could potentially lose their investments. As said previously we can walk away, go home and rant, forget about it for a while, but will forgive and return.

 

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