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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 05 Feb 24 11.16pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by Bexley Eagle

Olise looks like heís will have 2 months out and Eze a month. Not looking good. We will have to grind out a few points. This could be the season where our luck runs out.

A perfect storm of injuries is brewing because it may not be wise to bring them back as quickly as 2 and 1 month respectively anyway. Olise could be out for the season. I would say the latest injury news now puts us as one of the favourites to go down. FFP irregularity points deductions for Forest and additional ones for Everton could be our saviour.

Lip readers have said that Olise said something along the lines of, ďIíve f..ked my hamstring as he walked off. Itís not great news.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 05 Feb 24 11.24pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Those blaming the manager donít understand how things work these days. Itís the medical team that decide whether anyone is fit to play, and for how long.

The manager then has to decide how to use those he has available. He isnít a doctor. He is a coach.

If finger pointing is appropriate itís at whoever is releasing players before they are ready.

 

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View eaglesdare's Profile eaglesdare Flag 05 Feb 24 11.33pm Send a Private Message to eaglesdare Add eaglesdare as a friend

Olise could just have easily done his hamstring in training the next day even if he was not brought on against Brighton.

Didint olise first get his injury in training with the French under 21s? Or a friendly?

Didint Eze do his Achilles in training also and was out for a season?

I think they are both injury prone and maybe that's why they are still with us.

 

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View pssguy's Profile pssguy Flag 06 Feb 24 12.27am Send a Private Message to pssguy Add pssguy as a friend

Originally posted by eaglesdare

Olise could just have easily done his hamstring in training the next day even if he was not brought on against Brighton.

Didint olise first get his injury in training with the French under 21s? Or a friendly?

Didint Eze do his Achilles in training also and was out for a season?

I think they are both injury prone and maybe that's why they are still with us.


IIRC, it was in an international where he was running in on goal centrally and stretching to get their before the goalie. A situation I have never seen him in with Palace and now probably never will

 

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View pssguy's Profile pssguy Flag 06 Feb 24 12.28am Send a Private Message to pssguy Add pssguy as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Those blaming the manager donít understand how things work these days. Itís the medical team that decide whether anyone is fit to play, and for how long.

The manager then has to decide how to use those he has available. He isnít a doctor. He is a coach.

If finger pointing is appropriate itís at whoever is releasing players before they are ready.

Equally culpable. Hodgson should never have brought him on given the game was effectively over

 

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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 06 Feb 24 5.15am Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

The Mail reporting that Olise is out for months.
If true then who is to blame?
We seem to have more of these injuries than most - is it the training?
Can we blame Roy for bringing him on when the Medics should know what's what or maybe - as others have stated - he is just injury prone?
Worrying for him and us.

 

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View stancummins's Profile stancummins Flag 06 Feb 24 6.27am Send a Private Message to stancummins Add stancummins as a friend

A lot of people seem to be resigned to the fact that both players will go in the summer. I dont see it . When both are playing they are truly devastating, but they have both signed long term contracts last year, and both would command large fees 60-80 million each has been mentioned. What team would make that investment based on their fitness levels this year , nobody i believe. My view is that they would need to prove their fitness most probably at the start of next season and if they were ok more likely to go in January next year. What would be interesting would be if we were relegated and we could witness them both tearing championship sides apart along with a returning Dacoure. If we were to be relegated we would more be likely to lose Guehi and Anderson along with Ayew,Matetta, Eduard and other dead wood in the squad.But August to January next season could be much more refreshing under a new manager

 

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View Eden Eagle's Profile Eden Eagle Flag Kent 06 Feb 24 6.40am Send a Private Message to Eden Eagle Add Eden Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by stancummins

A lot of people seem to be resigned to the fact that both players will go in the summer. I dont see it . When both are playing they are truly devastating, but they have both signed long term contracts last year, and both would command large fees 60-80 million each has been mentioned. What team would make that investment based on their fitness levels this year , nobody i believe. My view is that they would need to prove their fitness most probably at the start of next season and if they were ok more likely to go in January next year. What would be interesting would be if we were relegated and we could witness them both tearing championship sides apart along with a returning Dacoure. If we were to be relegated we would more be likely to lose Guehi and Anderson along with Ayew,Matetta, Eduard and other dead wood in the squad.But August to January next season could be much more refreshing under a new manager

I think Ayew & Mateta would be useful in the championship..

 

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View ambrose7's Profile ambrose7 Flag Croydon 06 Feb 24 8.52am Send a Private Message to ambrose7 Add ambrose7 as a friend

ĎI was told he couldn't start the game, everyone was quite comfortable with that," Hodgson said after the game.

ĎBut they told me, and he told me, he was fine to be on the bench and to play in the second half.

ĎUnfortunately I don't have a crystal ball and I wasn't to know that would lead to a recurrence of his injury.í

1) If he can't start the game, then he isn't 100%.

2) This is a player who has already had three (one in rehab, one vs Brentford, one vs Sheff Utd) setbacks from this injury. He had to come off with a tweak only 4 days beforehand.

3) Most importantly: We're 3-0 down in a game that's already lost.

You don't have to be a doctor to know any of that. It's basic risk and reward. The risk far outweighed any possible reward.

The medical department have massive questions to answer this year - don't get me wrong - but every one of us clowns on here was saying don't bring him on.

 


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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 06 Feb 24 9.15am Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

What is clear is that we canít rely on Olise and Eze for the rest of the season.
Their contributions are likely to be sporadic.
So from today on the training ground we have to plan for games without them.

The great Liverpool manager used to ignore injured players around the training ground.
He would even pass them in the corridor and not speak to them.
As far as he was concerned they did not exist and were of no use to him until they were ready to play again.
It may sound callous, but it shows Shanklyís single minded approach - how could he prepare to maximise the chance of getting points in the next game.
This entailed working with the players available and devising tactics around that.
He also was superstitious around having the injured players around the fit players thinking they would create a negative vibe!

 

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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 06 Feb 24 9.43am Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Originally posted by ambrose7

ĎI was told he couldn't start the game, everyone was quite comfortable with that," Hodgson said after the game.

ĎBut they told me, and he told me, he was fine to be on the bench and to play in the second half.

ĎUnfortunately I don't have a crystal ball and I wasn't to know that would lead to a recurrence of his injury.í

1) If he can't start the game, then he isn't 100%.

2) This is a player who has already had three (one in rehab, one vs Brentford, one vs Sheff Utd) setbacks from this injury. He had to come off with a tweak only 4 days beforehand.

3) Most importantly: We're 3-0 down in a game that's already lost.

You don't have to be a doctor to know any of that. It's basic risk and reward. The risk far outweighed any possible reward.

The medical department have massive questions to answer this year - don't get me wrong - but every one of us clowns on here was saying don't bring him on.

Exactly this. Olise and the Medical department are jointly responsible.

BUT, 3-0 down, (or 0-3 up for that matter) doesn't need him taking a risk.

Regardless of what he thinks the fans want etc. Is the guy stupid? Olise's fitness is linked to us scoring goals, winning games and Roy keeping his job. Even from a selfish standpoint, playing him is stupid

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 06 Feb 24 9.58am Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

We don't have Olise now and we have no real wingers as such. Even Rak-Sakyi is injured. In that case, I am expecting (in fact I'm basically demanding) that we change formation. There is no point to our three up front with two inside forwards, without any actual inside forwards. We simply have to to a different tactic. In my opinion, narrow and direct. But there are alternatives.

 


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