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Another hamstring injury for a player on return.

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View dreamwaverider's Profile dreamwaverider Flag London 06 Feb 24 10.58am Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Originally posted by eaglerik1

Id agree with this except we do not play 2 games a week as we tend to get knocked out of the cups pretty early and are not playing in europe. Also when did we last have players really sprinting and playing at speed?


Last Saturday.!
I saw Olise hairing across the pitch then suddenly pull up with the HSI he went on the pitch with.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 06 Feb 24 11.04am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

Terry Venables as part of his routine took all the players up the pub on a thursday night for a few pints ( limit of 4 pints I believe) and then barred drinking until after the game on the Saturday that was always 3pm ko.
The old game was slightly slower, just as skilful, more mistakes and way more exciting. What we are served these days is getting really desperately boring. As for VAR.....dont even go there.

Edited by dreamwaverider (06 Feb 2024 10.55am)

Without being too romantic about the past the skills were different too. Players who could go round defenders and put in accurate crosses or pass it a distance rather than make 50 passes to no purpose other than keeping the ball. Speed is a vital element of the modern game but in some ways it's slower now.

 

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View eritheagle's Profile eritheagle Flag Erith 06 Feb 24 11.21am Send a Private Message to eritheagle Add eritheagle as a friend

A lot of muscle injuries are caused by an imbalence i.e. the opposing muscle is stronger. In the case of the hamstring the bigger and stronger Quad muscles. Therefore the hamstring is normally put in a precarious position as the stabalising muscle when quads are being used (a lot by footballers) and therefore bear a large brunt on them (as well as performing their other function when the leg is bent at the knee and heel is curled towards the buttocks) and have to be treated very carefully.

On another note though, I remember hearing Michael Owen describing how he suffered a lot of hamstring injuries when younger.
They discovered he was sitting wrongly on his car seat when driving and edge of seat was digging into his hamstring. Once he corrected his position he didn't suffer again.

 

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View Palacesince64's Profile Palacesince64 Flag Edinburgh 06 Feb 24 5.37pm Send a Private Message to Palacesince64 Add Palacesince64 as a friend

There’s also an element down to the players themselves. In Olise’s case he declared himself fit to play and then 10 minutes into the half decide he should sprint flat out after a loose ball. He may not be the sharpest lad but a more mature pro would have had more sense. He is capable of winning games without doing that.

 

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View BelfastEagle's Profile BelfastEagle Flag 06 Feb 24 6.03pm Send a Private Message to BelfastEagle Add BelfastEagle as a friend

Originally posted by Jacey

If it is true that Olise is out for a minimum of two months,then probably down to that useless old man's very poor decision making,bringing Michael on when we had irretrievably lost the game and probably costing our place in the Premier League without this irreplaceable talent.

Two months back for 10 mins again and his season will be done. ….thats the likely scenario.

I wouldn’t have brought him on ….but having said that he’s either fit to play and on the bench or he’s not fit to play and not on the bench. You don’t allow half fit players to be selected….what on earth are the physio staff doing it’s madness.

 

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View Rachid Rachid Rachid's Profile Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 06 Feb 24 6.16pm Send a Private Message to Rachid Rachid Rachid Add Rachid Rachid Rachid as a friend

Originally posted by BelfastEagle

Two months back for 10 mins again and his season will be done. ….thats the likely scenario.

I wouldn’t have brought him on ….but having said that he’s either fit to play and on the bench or he’s not fit to play and not on the bench. You don’t allow half fit players to be selected….what on earth are the physio staff doing it’s madness.

Olise shouldn't have been there at all if there was an issue during the game against Sheffield United four games prior. As you say he was either fit to play or he wasn't. Clearly he wasn't.

If he felt anything at all in his hamstring against Sheffield United then there's not a chance he plays four days later. And unless Roy completely ignored their advice or put huge pressure on them they shoulder the the majority of the blame. Roy still should have known better than to risk him.

 

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View Palacesince64's Profile Palacesince64 Flag Edinburgh 06 Feb 24 7.50pm Send a Private Message to Palacesince64 Add Palacesince64 as a friend

Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid

Olise shouldn't have been there at all if there was an issue during the game against Sheffield United four games prior. As you say he was either fit to play or he wasn't. Clearly he wasn't.

If he felt anything at all in his hamstring against Sheffield United then there's not a chance he plays four days later. And unless Roy completely ignored their advice or put huge pressure on them they shoulder the the majority of the blame. Roy still should have known better than to risk him.

Never sure who Roy is referring to when he talks about “medics”. Given his relatively recent surgery and the discomfort he’s had since then it should be the surgical rehab team and as a former rehab consultant I can’t imagine a trained specialist doctor offering the suggestion he was fit enough for half a game especially coming on cold at half time when everyone else has had 45 minutes under their belt.

 

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View Knightstar's Profile Knightstar Flag Guildford 10 Feb 24 10.58pm Send a Private Message to Knightstar Add Knightstar as a friend

This post has been merged from a topic called 'Why do we keep getting these injuries?' by becky

I know the busy schedule in the Premier League and other competitions means the players play far too frequently, without adequate time to rest and recover. But why are so many of our players suffering from serious injuries such as hamstrings? I know a lot of people think that part of the problem is that our squad isn't deep enough and Roy keeps picking the same players and not rotating the squad. But is there a more serious problem with our training routines not adequately preparing players for these demanding encounters? Are our players not fit enough? I recall under Vieira that one of the criticisms of the team just before he got the sack, was that our team ran the least in the Premier League. I wonder how it is now and I wouldn't be surprised to find that we are again near the bottom of the league on this stat. Maybe we need to review our medical team and our whole approach to sports science because clearly something is wrong.

 

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View The Yorkshire Eagle's Profile The Yorkshire Eagle Flag Great Ouseburn, N Yorkshire 11 Feb 24 8.10am Send a Private Message to The Yorkshire Eagle Add The Yorkshire Eagle as a friend

There is a mix of ineptitude and poor management by all concerned here, IMO.
IF, as had been stated by ‘the medical team’ that Olise’ was fit enough to play, then why not start him, especially against Brighton who were coming into the game off a heavy defeat? We all agree bringing him on when the game was lost made no sense, as was keeping him on until 85 mins or so against the Blades when 3-1 up. Both decision make whoever had final say culpable. I question the medical teams competence as he was clearly not fully ready, and Roy et al who ‘did a Boris’ and were ‘guided by the medical science’’, but screwed up by bringing him on when 0-3 down. Likely as not it wouldn’t have made a difference had he been started, but at least we wouldn’t now be questioning Roy and co for their decision.

 

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View Knightstar's Profile Knightstar Flag Guildford 11 Feb 24 8.38am Send a Private Message to Knightstar Add Knightstar as a friend

I think more of the blame for these injuries lies with our training routines and these need careful scrutiny. As I said above, I suspect our players lack fitness and I bet our players are amongst the lowest in the division for distances run.

 

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View mtp1958's Profile mtp1958 Flag Grays 11 Feb 24 8.47am Send a Private Message to mtp1958 Add mtp1958 as a friend

we train the players as athletes instead of footballers the more sprints you do the more likely that you will damage a muscle , sprinters don't do half as much running in training as footballers do in a match ,
you know as a player if you are ok if the physio doesn't see you flitch when tested they can only go by the data the player shows , yes x-ray but will only show a tear not anything else , and as said by some its not just our club that have this issue ,
lot todo with VAR standing around for 5 mins waiting for that , is not good , i do speak from experience as i got older the hamstring started playing up more and i was a quick , and i had a friend from the age of 20 had his hamstring going alot , spent alot on the bench and didnt come right until nearer 30 , so wrap them up in cotton wool and then you will be complaining that we are not playing them its a no win

 

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View Norbury Old Git's Profile Norbury Old Git Flag London 11 Feb 24 12.49pm Send a Private Message to Norbury Old Git Add Norbury Old Git as a friend

Part of the reason for the winter break was to help players to recover from injuries by a period of relaxation. The Everton replay interfered with the break and this was followed three days later by the Arsenal match. With no extended holiday and having 9 full days before the Sheffield match why did Roy see it necessary to recommence training on the Monday after the 5 nil drubbing rather than give the team a few more recovery days?

 

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