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Has the club taken itís eye off the ball?

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View palace99's Profile palace99 Flag New Mills 06 Feb 24 11.06am Send a Private Message to palace99 Add palace99 as a friend

Originally posted by dreamwaverider


Very good post.
I would add that Zaha was never going to be easy to replace, but we haven't even tried.
Another part of planning that hardly exists at Palace unlike Brighton is selling our stars at the right time when a good offer comes in. We are just not geared up right. Zaha could easily have commanded £65m but instead got a massive wage increase and ended up going for zero. That was not good business.

in terms of the Zaha replacement, or just a wide player, this has been the club's biggest failing.
If a Franca type had been bought in the summer of 2022 (for less than £10m, which is surely the top valuation for such a young player) you could see some logic in giving him 12 months to get up to speed etc.
Last summer we knew Olise was injured and had a release clause and let's be honest he has missed the last 3 pre seasons now so has a mixed injury record.
Whilst Ayew played admirably on the left in Zaha's absence late last season it is not his natural position, he is not a spring chicken and he would depart in Jan for the Afcon.
Schlupp had played centrally for the last 2 or so seasons so could not really be considered more of a stop gap option, at best.

Yet in the last 2 transfer windows not only have we not bought a LW, we have barely been linked with one. The Max Cornet link at the last minute seemed odd, why not try this early in the window.

Other teams in our position have recently strengthened with loans - Sheff U and Burnley for example, so players are out there.

So here we are with a squad that doesn't score many and with our 2 best attacking players injured very few options to improve the situation.

 

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View dreamwaverider's Profile dreamwaverider Flag London 06 Feb 24 11.07am Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I'm not questioning people's right to discussion or disagreement.

What erks me is some of the vitriolic nonsense aimed at Parish and Hodgson on various Palace forums and on match days.
This unfortunate episode seems to have exposed a rather unsavoury element in our fan base who have totally unrealistic ideas about our status and think it's OK to hurl abuse at players, manager and chairman.

I feel sorry for our two new boys, who must wonder what the hell they have walked in to.

Hopefully they are not aware of homesdale.net just yet!!

Edited by dreamwaverider (06 Feb 2024 11.08am)

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 06 Feb 24 11.11am Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

My post wasn't to criticise Parish or suggest that me or anybody on this board could do better.
I don't understand the strategy and raised some issues about whether the club had lost focus as some of the decisions have been unfathomable, at least to me.
Perhaps somebody can come up with a logic as to the decision making process.
It could be, as one poster has put it, that events have conspired against us, but it could be more fundamental than that.

I reckon itís a lot more simple than that. We have been flying by the seat of our pants for years, spending very little, not filling gaps in squads, failing to utilise the loan system to bring in older experienced players and whatever slice of luck we used to get seems now to have deserted us.

With two of our best players out for potentially the whole season and two other injuries to our best players we are in trouble. It appears the manager does not have the belief that the rest of our squad is capable of winning matches hence the negative approach to every game and that mentality is manifesting itself in our players too when you see the nervous way in which we are playing.

I do think Parish has taken his eye off the ball insofar as he should have spotted the deterioration in the performances and had a plan in place to shake things up. Whilst forward thinking on paper, buying players for the future when you are struggling with the present is also a big risk and in this respect I question the purchases of Franca, Henderson and Wharton despite the fact they may all come good with time.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 06 Feb 24 11.14am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

Hopefully they are not aware of homesdale.net just yet!!

Edited by dreamwaverider (06 Feb 2024 11.08am)

I don't think this site is the primary source of discord.

 

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View dreamwaverider's Profile dreamwaverider Flag London 06 Feb 24 11.16am Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I don't think this site is the primary source of discord.

Agreed.

 

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Online Flag 06 Feb 24 11.45am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

I reckon itís a lot more simple than that. We have been flying by the seat of our pants for years, spending very little, not filling gaps in squads, failing to utilise the loan system to bring in older experienced players and whatever slice of luck we used to get seems now to have deserted us.

With two of our best players out for potentially the whole season and two other injuries to our best players we are in trouble. It appears the manager does not have the belief that the rest of our squad is capable of winning matches hence the negative approach to every game and that mentality is manifesting itself in our players too when you see the nervous way in which we are playing.

I do think Parish has taken his eye off the ball insofar as he should have spotted the deterioration in the performances and had a plan in place to shake things up. Whilst forward thinking on paper, buying players for the future when you are struggling with the present is also a big risk and in this respect I question the purchases of Franca, Henderson and Wharton despite the fact they may all come good with time.

Agreed. Entropy has set in and it is hard to reverse, given that they are doing the same things that brought it on in the first place. A gradual, then rapid decline, exemplified by offering Hodgson another year, fairly obviously because there was no one else. Five plus years of Roy Hodgson at the helm says a lot about Steve Parish and his ambition.
Like most things, a bicycle, a car, a railway, an allotment etc etc all need maintenance otherwise they don't work too well and eventually break down. So it is with a football team, especially in the PL where money is king.
Things have gone full cycle, even if we do get lucky and survive it will be the same next season unless wholesale change occurs.

Edited by southnorwoodhill (06 Feb 2024 1.53pm)

 

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View CrazyBadger's Profile CrazyBadger Flag Ware 06 Feb 24 1.51pm Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend

Short answer 'No'

Long Answer is that we keep riding our luck. Our constant mid table finishes have not only belied our bad performances, it's also provided the board with justification of their actions which bar the odd window has been poor and led to our survival tactic to hope there are 3 worse teams than us. That is not sustainable.
Even a 'Safe pair of hands' drops the ball from time to time. the trick is for it not to cost you when it happens. Our mantra is forever 'lets get to next summer' at which point we are seemingly incompetent to find solutions to issues we've given ourselves time to find. This seems to have stemmed from being burned, then deciding never to go there again; Like buying Sakho on high wages, didn't work so now we only buy promising youth, when in truth a more blanaced approach is Required. Or Progressive managers given a go like FdB and Vieira. So now seemingly reluctant to take that risk again where in truth FdB wasn't given enough time, And Vieira actually proved in his 1st season it could be done, and in his 2nd season proved he wasn't the guy to fully realise it.
I understand we're trying to do many things at once like build an academy, renovate the stand etc... but for it to be justified by a prolonged period of neglecting first team business is negligent at best.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 06 Feb 24 2.09pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

In the early days of our spell in the PL, I often criticised Parish for lack of ambition with transfer dealings. I now believe that I might have being too harsh. The money just wasn't there.

The irony is that we probably have the best squad of players we have ever had, and yet we are struggling. It's also true that our success remaining in this league has been based on getting Wilfred Zaha back from United and a fair bit of luck. However, we also have to recognise that none of this would be possible without the rescue act performed by Steve Parish and the stability he has allowed over the last decade or so.

Off the field, we already have a new academy and a new main stand on the horizon. All in all, it's been a great period to be a Palace fan. The only thing missing was winning something.
If we do go down, we can bounce straight back because of careful financial management. We aren't there yet, but we can finish this season without fear.
I'd like to think that we can retain the vast majority of our squad what ever happens.

We aren't down yet folks. Let's stay positive.


Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (06 Feb 2024 2.10pm)

 

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