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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 08 Mar 24 1.55pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

There will always be isolated examples of just about any behaviour.

The important factor is whether the highlighting of such low levels of behaviour are of benefit.
The answer, based on anecdotal evidence, is that it only makes a tiny problem bigger.

It is also quite ridiculous to imagine that anyone in a minority won't receive some level of prejudice.
When someone who looks like a man, sounds like a man and claims to be a woman, it is inconceivable that they won't get negative reaction from some people.

This is another example of unrealistic idealism.

That's your opinion - it's far from a definitive answer and it's certainly not based on evidence.

You might not see it as a benefit, but a victim of said abuse very likely would - it's not for you alone to determine a benefit.

 

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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

That's your opinion - it's far from a definitive answer and it's certainly not based on evidence.

You might not see it as a benefit, but a victim of said abuse very likely would - it's not for you alone to determine a benefit.

Let me put it another way.

Has the attention given to transgender issues or football racism improved any problem that existed?

Both issues affected a miniscule proportion of the population and yet took up hours or media space. Is that justified?

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 08 Mar 24 2.17pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Let me put it another way.

Has the attention given to transgender issues or football racism improved any problem that existed?

Both issues affected a miniscule proportion of the population and yet took up hours or media space. Is that justified?

My opinion is yes it has improved the problem in both cases. The same as with your opinion, it's impossible to quantify that with evidence, but my opinion would be yes.

Is use of 'media space' ever justified? That seems a weird framing of it - there's hardly a shortage of media space in this country and a huge percentage of it is already filled with things objectively unimportant.

 

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View Behind Enemy Lines's Profile Behind Enemy Lines Flag Sussex 08 Mar 24 2.44pm Send a Private Message to Behind Enemy Lines Add Behind Enemy Lines as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

And a lot of those victims of the grooming scandals initially went into the kebab/mini-cab offices. Or had an Asian boyfriend to start with who deliberately acted all nice.

Issue is they were children. As was Begum.

We can argue all we want about the semantics but we have settled on 18 as the age of majority and we either stick with that or we don't.

If you can show that Begum individually murdered somebody then yes, a crime has been committed and at her age then, deserving of a legal process. But as I understand matters then no.

Look, I don't want her back in the country. I want to wash my hands of her. But none of which alters the law as it stands. She was born here. Whether we like it or not, she is as legally British as I either of us are (assuming you are British which I have no reason to doubt).

Our personal feelings should not come into it.

Let me make a few assumptions:

The underage girl is entering into a relationship that she thinks is a romantic and exciting. This is not something that is confined to one section of the community; it happens probably everywhere. Where this changes is when she is passed around amongst that community. At that point the action becomes a crime but the girl doesn’t realise that at the start.

The East London girl knew what she was doing from the start, what it stood for and where she was going…and used deception to carry out her part of the scenario.

I would repeat that if we are happy with under 18s committing crimes then we will forever be letting kids off and in effect punishing the victims rather than the perpetrators.

Consequently I am happy that the government is doing all it can to prevent her return.

 


hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

My opinion is yes it has improved the problem in both cases. The same as with your opinion, it's impossible to quantify that with evidence, but my opinion would be yes.

Is use of 'media space' ever justified? That seems a weird framing of it - there's hardly a shortage of media space in this country and a huge percentage of it is already filled with things objectively unimportant.

There is a finite amount of space in the written and televisual media. The internet as a whole is obviously virtually infinite.

When someone who advocates the level of attention these subjects get cannot properly determine if it has been beneficial or not, then one has to conclude that nothing tangible has been achieved.


 

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View RubinsCube's Profile RubinsCube Flag Wimbledon 08 Mar 24 3.18pm Send a Private Message to RubinsCube Add RubinsCube as a friend

Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines

Let me make a few assumptions:

The underage girl is entering into a relationship that she thinks is a romantic and exciting. This is not something that is confined to one section of the community; it happens probably everywhere. Where this changes is when she is passed around amongst that community. At that point the action becomes a crime but the girl doesn’t realise that at the start.

The East London girl knew what she was doing from the start, what it stood for and where she was going…and used deception to carry out her part of the scenario.

I would repeat that if we are happy with under 18s committing crimes then we will forever be letting kids off and in effect punishing the victims rather than the perpetrators.

Consequently I am happy that the government is doing all it can to prevent her return.

I can understand that line of thinking, but I disagree with it.

I do not think many reasonable people are happy with letting kids off, not least in the context of the severity of some of these offences. But, by definition, a child is uneducated. It seems to me that a key distinction of western societies is a recognition that children - in contrast to adults - should get a second chance. Maybe I am too idealistic on this, but I think it is important.

 

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Originally posted by RubinsCube

I can understand that line of thinking, but I disagree with it.

I do not think many reasonable people are happy with letting kids off, not least in the context of the severity of some of these offences. But, by definition, a child is uneducated. It seems to me that a key distinction of western societies is a recognition that children - in contrast to adults - should get a second chance. Maybe I am too idealistic on this, but I think it is important.

No maybe about it.
Crimes committed by children have to be judged individually.

This girl deserves no second chance in my opinion. More importantly, there are bigger things at stake than the rights of a dubious individual.

 

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View Behind Enemy Lines's Profile Behind Enemy Lines Flag Sussex 08 Mar 24 3.33pm Send a Private Message to Behind Enemy Lines Add Behind Enemy Lines as a friend

Originally posted by RubinsCube

I can understand that line of thinking, but I disagree with it.

I do not think many reasonable people are happy with letting kids off, not least in the context of the severity of some of these offences. But, by definition, a child is uneducated. It seems to me that a key distinction of western societies is a recognition that children - in contrast to adults - should get a second chance. Maybe I am too idealistic on this, but I think it is important.

There’s the problem: western societies think one way about the age of consent and accountability; other societies think differently and when the two mix you get these sorts of issues.
If she comes back to the UK how many other under 18s can disappear to the Middle East to support an ideology that we abhor, only to be allowed back when it goes wrong for them? I don’t want to take that chance; we have enough undocumented individuals turning up without compounding the problem.

 


hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

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Just about everything that could go wrong, has gone wrong and she is now stuck in a tent seemingly forever.

There is no harm in showing some compassion and forgiveness to her she was very young and has lost two children and had treatment you wouldn't wish on anybody, whether it was her fault at that age with no one responsible around her, is understandable.

The moment I saw that judge I knew she hadn't a chance.

As far as I am concerned, they could swap them out.

 

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Originally posted by steeleye20

Just about everything that could go wrong, has gone wrong and she is now stuck in a tent seemingly forever.

There is no harm in showing some compassion and forgiveness to her she was very young and has lost two children and had treatment you wouldn't wish on anybody, whether it was her fault at that age with no one responsible around her, is understandable.

The moment I saw that judge I knew she hadn't a chance.

As far as I am concerned, they could swap them out.

There could easily be harm. She is devious and likely to stir up trouble.

 

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View Behind Enemy Lines's Profile Behind Enemy Lines Flag Sussex 08 Mar 24 4.19pm Send a Private Message to Behind Enemy Lines Add Behind Enemy Lines as a friend

Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines

Let me make a few assumptions:

The underage girl is entering into a relationship that she thinks is a romantic and exciting. This is not something that is confined to one section of the community; it happens probably everywhere. Where this changes is when she is passed around amongst that community. At that point the action becomes a crime but the girl doesn’t realise that at the start.

The East London girl knew what she was doing from the start, what it stood for and where she was going…and used deception to carry out her part of the scenario.

I would repeat that if we are happy with under 18s committing crimes then we will forever be letting kids off and in effect punishing the victims rather than the perpetrators.

Consequently I am happy that the government is doing all it can to prevent her return.

An 11 year old boy as been stopped on the motorway driving a BMW with cloned plates and towing a stolen caravan. I wonder why he was committing the crime and not an adult.

 


hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

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Originally posted by steeleye20

There is no harm in showing some compassion and forgiveness to her she was very young and has lost two children and had treatment you wouldn't wish on anybody, whether it was her fault at that age with no one responsible around her, is understandable.

Completely disagree. The ONLY factor that should count is that she was under 18. That is it. And I suspect that if she was white and had gone off to join some Far-Right terrorist group then your 'compassion and forgiveness' would not be so forthcoming.

Which is the point.

She was technically not an adult. Therefore we should not hold her to the same standards. It really is that simple. Emotion should not come into it because if she was a day over 18, then I would happily campaign to keep her out.


 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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