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Badger11 Beckenham 13 May 24 8.09am
As I have Charlton and Millwall mates I thought I would start a thread on where they are and what next season holds for them. Charlton Under new owners (yet again) led by Charlie Methven he's promising the fans a lot whilst promising his backers he will cut their losses of £10m pa. How do you square that circle Charlie? The fans are cautiously optimistic, their manager has led them on a pretty good run away from relegation to mid table mediocrity. Charlton fans are obsessed with the Ipswich model and believe this is the route to the PL. Essentially the model is that you get a good manager and players, err isn't that what every club tries to do? It looks like Ipswich built a Championship side in L1 where there are few financial restrictions (outspending all others) so when they got promoted to the Championship (which has FFP) they only spent £4m getting promoted to the PL. So rather than roll the dice in the Championship you do it in L1. The problem Charlie Methven has is that he's a minority owner and has to persuade the fund manager owners in the US to gamble. Charlton fans believe their team is poor and needs a major buying window if they are to get out of the Northern league (sorry I mean L1). Conclusion It's all about the money. Methven has made big promises to the fans and if they don't have a good transfer window the natives will be restless. Spending big in L1 is a huge gamble because the revenues in the Championship aren't that much better. You could get promoted and then be stuck in the bottom half of the Championship with a load of debt and not good enough for the PL. Some strong teams have been relegated with some coming up so L1 which is mainly Northern will be a tough division to get out of. My guess: Playoff if they are lucky. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 13 May 24 8.09am

As I have Charlton and Millwall mates I thought I would start a thread on where they are and what next season holds for them.

Charlton
Under new owners (yet again) led by Charlie Methven he's promising the fans a lot whilst promising his backers he will cut their losses of £10m pa. How do you square that circle Charlie?

The fans are cautiously optimistic, their manager has led them on a pretty good run away from relegation to mid table mediocrity.

Charlton fans are obsessed with the Ipswich model and believe this is the route to the PL. Essentially the model is that you get a good manager and players, err isn't that what every club tries to do?

It looks like Ipswich built a Championship side in L1 where there are few financial restrictions (outspending all others) so when they got promoted to the Championship (which has FFP) they only spent £4m getting promoted to the PL.

So rather than roll the dice in the Championship you do it in L1. The problem Charlie Methven has is that he's a minority owner and has to persuade the fund manager owners in the US to gamble. Charlton fans believe their team is poor and needs a major buying window if they are to get out of the Northern league (sorry I mean L1).

Conclusion
It's all about the money. Methven has made big promises to the fans and if they don't have a good transfer window the natives will be restless. Spending big in L1 is a huge gamble because the revenues in the Championship aren't that much better. You could get promoted and then be stuck in the bottom half of the Championship with a load of debt and not good enough for the PL.

Some strong teams have been relegated with some coming up so L1 which is mainly Northern will be a tough division to get out of.

My guess: Playoff if they are lucky.

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Badger11 Beckenham 13 May 24 8.19am
Millwall Their fans are buzzing right now. With the return of Neil Harris they have been on a good run away from relegation. Millwall are stalwarts of the Championship and to date have survived normally on a smaller budget than most teams so punching above their weight. The club has just announced a new deal with Lewisham Council and a 999 year lease of the ground. There will be a major redevelopment of the area around the ground and their stadium will be rebuilt. The outside of the new ground looks like railway arches which I innocently mentioned only to be growled out that the new ground will look like the outside of the coliseum. Anyway no promises when this will be done. Millwall don't buy big but are about to announce the signing of a centre half they got on loan from Spurs for £3m which will be their record signing. They are buzzing about this guy and it seems a good fit. Their American owner died in a car accident and his son has taken over. His dad was very conservative with money and Millwall were stable under him. Millwall have just sacked 3 of their Senior Management team including recruitment which the fans are happy about. My mates reckon they are going for it this season, so is Berylson Jnr gambling unlike his dad. Conclusion. Millwall have been an annoyingly stable club in the Championship with the recent moves hinting that the new owner wants more it could be good times for Millwall fans. However they have very little money so if they get this wrong they could find themselves in trouble. My Guess: I reckon they will be looking at a playoff place. Edited by Badger11 (13 May 2024 8.21am) One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 13 May 24 8.19am

Millwall

Their fans are buzzing right now. With the return of Neil Harris they have been on a good run away from relegation. Millwall are stalwarts of the Championship and to date have survived normally on a smaller budget than most teams so punching above their weight.

The club has just announced a new deal with Lewisham Council and a 999 year lease of the ground. There will be a major redevelopment of the area around the ground and their stadium will be rebuilt.

The outside of the new ground looks like railway arches which I innocently mentioned only to be growled out that the new ground will look like the outside of the coliseum. Anyway no promises when this will be done.

Millwall don't buy big but are about to announce the signing of a centre half they got on loan from Spurs for £3m which will be their record signing. They are buzzing about this guy and it seems a good fit.

Their American owner died in a car accident and his son has taken over. His dad was very conservative with money and Millwall were stable under him.

Millwall have just sacked 3 of their Senior Management team including recruitment which the fans are happy about. My mates reckon they are going for it this season, so is Berylson Jnr gambling unlike his dad.

Conclusion.
Millwall have been an annoyingly stable club in the Championship with the recent moves hinting that the new owner wants more it could be good times for Millwall fans.

However they have very little money so if they get this wrong they could find themselves in trouble.

My Guess: I reckon they will be looking at a playoff place.

Edited by Badger11 (13 May 2024 8.21am)

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eritheagle Erith 13 May 24 9.30am
The centre back Millwall are buying from Spurs is Tenganga who was highly rated but got sent off against us when we beat them 3-0 at Selhurst. I heard there new stadium is gonna seat 36,000 which i then asked "are they expecting a lot of away fans then?" as they struggle to fill a 20,000 stadium.

eritheagle

Erith 13 May 24 9.30am

The centre back Millwall are buying from Spurs is Tenganga who was highly rated but got sent off against us when we beat them 3-0 at Selhurst.
I heard there new stadium is gonna seat 36,000 which i then asked "are they expecting a lot of away fans then?" as they struggle to fill a 20,000 stadium.

silvertop Portishead 13 May 24 9.34am
South of the River rivalries are an odd thing. Charlton look to us but we don't reciprocate. We traditionally look to Millwall, but they don't look at us (West Ham). We're just Stripy Nigels. Thus, we have our new found chums on the south coast who, while they return the favour, put the term "South London" to the test. Hardly Glasgow, is it?

silvertop

Portishead 13 May 24 9.34am

South of the River rivalries are an odd thing. Charlton look to us but we don't reciprocate. We traditionally look to Millwall, but they don't look at us (West Ham). We're just Stripy Nigels. Thus, we have our new found chums on the south coast who, while they return the favour, put the term "South London" to the test.

Hardly Glasgow, is it?

YT Oxford 13 May 24 9.59am
You could write a synopsis about any team in any division and the conclusion will almost invariably be the same: the clubs with the most money will be the most successful. This has been fleshed out in various books and articles. We are more successful than Millwall because we are richer than Millwall. And then Millwall are richer than Charlton. Every fan of every club wants their club to "spend more money", by which, of course, they mean that they want someone else to cough up money so that they can enjoy a better experience as a fan. Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

Oxford 13 May 24 9.59am

You could write a synopsis about any team in any division and the conclusion will almost invariably be the same: the clubs with the most money will be the most successful. This has been fleshed out in various books and articles.

We are more successful than Millwall because we are richer than Millwall. And then Millwall are richer than Charlton.

Every fan of every club wants their club to "spend more money", by which, of course, they mean that they want someone else to cough up money so that they can enjoy a better experience as a fan.

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

Dubai Eagle 13 May 24 11.28am
I have checked back on my post reference the Colosseum - I only mentioned it in reference to Dorkings post about the railway arches & I can assure all that there was absolutely no growling involved or intimated (or even roaring, as in Lions) lol.

Dubai Eagle

13 May 24 11.28am

I have checked back on my post reference the Colosseum -
I only mentioned it in reference to Dorkings post about the railway arches & I can assure all that there was absolutely no growling involved or intimated (or even roaring, as in Lions) lol.

Badger11 Beckenham 13 May 24 11.54am
Originally posted by eritheagle The centre back Millwall are buying from Spurs is Tenganga who was highly rated but got sent off against us when we beat them 3-0 at Selhurst. I heard there new stadium is gonna seat 36,000 which i then asked "are they expecting a lot of away fans then?" as they struggle to fill a 20,000 stadium. Actually I was told 30,000 and apparently they are selling out this season. However like us due to safety rules it will never be a 20,000 crowd. Anyway the stadium is nothing more than a promise, this is all about building housing estates. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 13 May 24 11.54am

Originally posted by eritheagle

The centre back Millwall are buying from Spurs is Tenganga who was highly rated but got sent off against us when we beat them 3-0 at Selhurst.
I heard there new stadium is gonna seat 36,000 which i then asked "are they expecting a lot of away fans then?" as they struggle to fill a 20,000 stadium.

Actually I was told 30,000 and apparently they are selling out this season. However like us due to safety rules it will never be a 20,000 crowd. Anyway the stadium is nothing more than a promise, this is all about building housing estates.

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Badger11 Beckenham 13 May 24 12.00pm
Originally posted by YT You could write a synopsis about any team in any division and the conclusion will almost invariably be the same: the clubs with the most money will be the most successful. This has been fleshed out in various books and articles. We are more successful than Millwall because we are richer than Millwall. And then Millwall are richer than Charlton. Every fan of every club wants their club to "spend more money", by which, of course, they mean that they want someone else to cough up money so that they can enjoy a better experience as a fan. Agreed. What I find fascinating is the gap between them and the PL. If Millwall sign this player for 3m that is their record signing and the average they spend in transfers per season on all players. So for them this is their Benteke moment. A couple of seasons back they had a Leeds centre back on loan and wanted to buy him but wouldn't go to the £1.5m that Leeds wanted. That centre Back is now supposedly worth £20m so maybe Millwall are thinking they can flip this Spurs player. As for Charlton they are so far down the pecking order they were praying that they could afford to sign Freddie Ladapo (yup ex Palace) they did and he's crap. Edited by Badger11 (13 May 2024 12.01pm) One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 13 May 24 12.00pm

Originally posted by YT

We are more successful than Millwall because we are richer than Millwall. And then Millwall are richer than Charlton.

Every fan of every club wants their club to "spend more money", by which, of course, they mean that they want someone else to cough up money so that they can enjoy a better experience as a fan.

Agreed.

What I find fascinating is the gap between them and the PL. If Millwall sign this player for 3m that is their record signing and the average they spend in transfers per season on all players. So for them this is their Benteke moment.

A couple of seasons back they had a Leeds centre back on loan and wanted to buy him but wouldn't go to the £1.5m that Leeds wanted. That centre Back is now supposedly worth £20m so maybe Millwall are thinking they can flip this Spurs player.

As for Charlton they are so far down the pecking order they were praying that they could afford to sign Freddie Ladapo (yup ex Palace) they did and he's crap.

Edited by Badger11 (13 May 2024 12.01pm)

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YT Oxford 13 May 24 2.52pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Agreed. What I find fascinating is the gap between them and the PL. If Millwall sign this player for 3m that is their record signing and the average they spend in transfers per season on all players. So for them this is their Benteke moment. A couple of seasons back they had a Leeds centre back on loan and wanted to buy him but wouldn't go to the £1.5m that Leeds wanted. That centre Back is now supposedly worth £20m so maybe Millwall are thinking they can flip this Spurs player. As for Charlton they are so far down the pecking order they were praying that they could afford to sign Freddie Ladapo (yup ex Palace) they did and he's crap. Edited by Badger11 (13 May 2024 12.01pm) Indeed. That's why all the old clichés about "the richest game in the world" etc get rolled out at the time of the Championship play-off final. Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

Oxford 13 May 24 2.52pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Agreed.

What I find fascinating is the gap between them and the PL. If Millwall sign this player for 3m that is their record signing and the average they spend in transfers per season on all players. So for them this is their Benteke moment.

As for Charlton they are so far down the pecking order they were praying that they could afford to sign Freddie Ladapo (yup ex Palace) they did and he's crap.

Edited by Badger11 (13 May 2024 12.01pm)

Indeed. That's why all the old clichés about "the richest game in the world" etc get rolled out at the time of the Championship play-off final.

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

PalazioVecchio south pole 13 May 24 5.54pm
must not forget Creepy Crawley, Wimbledon, Sutton, Bromley etc. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 13 May 24 5.54pm

must not forget Creepy Crawley, Wimbledon, Sutton, Bromley etc.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Elpis In a pub 13 May 24 10.17pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio must not forget Creepy Crawley, Wimbledon, Sutton, Bromley etc. Sutton were relegated to the National league .

Elpis

In a pub 13 May 24 10.17pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

must not forget Creepy Crawley, Wimbledon, Sutton, Bromley etc.

Sutton were relegated to the National league .

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 14 May 24 8.43pm
Originally posted by Elpis Sutton were relegated to the National league . Somebody forgot them. Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 14 May 24 8.43pm

Originally posted by Elpis

Sutton were relegated to the National league .

Somebody forgot them.

Red and Blue Army!

monkey Sittingbourne,but made in Bromley 14 May 24 8.55pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio must not forget Creepy Crawley, Wimbledon, Sutton, Bromley etc. Bromley are not rivals, a lot of palace go to watch them as well. Maybe the next generation if Bromley manage to stay in the football league and keep progressing might consider them rivals if we start playing in competitive games, but not yet.

monkey

Sittingbourne,but made in Bromley 14 May 24 8.55pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

must not forget Creepy Crawley, Wimbledon, Sutton, Bromley etc.

Bromley are not rivals, a lot of palace go to watch them as well. Maybe the next generation if Bromley manage to stay in the football league and keep progressing might consider them rivals if we start playing in competitive games, but not yet.

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 14 May 24 9.08pm
I rarely even remember Charlton or Millwall these days. Couldn't tell you a thing about them - except the obvious. Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 14 May 24 9.08pm

I rarely even remember Charlton or Millwall these days. Couldn't tell you a thing about them - except the obvious.

Red and Blue Army!

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