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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall Yesterday 6.57pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by The groover

Yeah because carbon is the only green house gas.........


I've been banging on about methane for decades and now its been accepted as the number one issue.

The report below explains it. But to take one part.

"Over a 20-year period, one ton of methane has a global warming potential that is 84 to 87 times greater than carbon dioxide. Over a century, that warming potential is 28 to 36 times greater. The difference occurs because methane is mostly scrubbed out of the air by chemical reactions within about ten years, while carbon dioxide persists in the atmosphere for much longer than a century.

ďThat means the climate effects of methane are front-loaded,Ē explained Drew Shindell, a climate scientist at Duke University. ďPart of the reason there is so much interest in methane right now is because reducing those emissions could slow warming over the next few decades."

We need to reduce MME effects now. Carbon reduction will take 100's of years to have an effect. Putting that into perspective. Focusing on methane reduction for the next 100 years will give CO2 reduction a chance to have an effect.

Its not rocket science but given how the politicians behave you would think so!

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I am not so sure it is accepted as the No 1 issue. Important certainly but whether the approach you describe is the most effective I will leave to our experts to debate and decide.

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What is certainly true is that man made climate change is real and cannot just be kicked into the long grass because itís difficult to deal with.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall Yesterday 7.07pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by The groover

Solar panels in the winter, when its need the most, are worthless. I know as I have them. Cloud cover, low sun angle, and reduced daylight hours mean that next to FA will be generated when its really needed.


In the summer more than is needed will be generated. But without battery storage it will again be mostly unused. The power is needed between 5pm and 11pm. When the sun is on its way down, therefore very little will be generated at that time.

Less effective certainly but worthless, no.

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For sure they are not a complete solution, especially in a temperate climate such as ours. They contribute an energy source. I donít think anyone has argued differently.

In places where there is lots of sunshine with little seasonal variation they have much more potential.

Wind, ground and water source, plus tidal all have their part to play.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall Yesterday 7.37pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

That's not the problem. The problem is a low birth rate in Europe.

The Earth's yearly supply of resources is being used up quicker as population grows.
You are accepting that we will get a smaller share in the West.

Why would anyone vote to have a lower standard of living?

Who are our governments representing?

Every policy seems to be geared towards making the super rich richer while the rest of us fight over what is left.

This is the future you support.

Itís both our aging populations and the lower birthrate which is the issue. You cannot separate them, as they both contribute.

For sure the Earthís resources are ultimately finite but we are a very long way from needing to be overly concerned.

New sources and more efficient methods of extraction are being found. New ways to use old materials are being discovered and previously disregarded materials being used. We are also recycling much more than in the past.

Making sure that the third world get enough does not mean that we wonít or that our living standards will decline. The human race is pretty smart at finding ways.

Things will continue to change, as they always have. Just at increased pace. Thatís inevitable and should be embraced rather than imitating Canute.

Our governments exist to serve us, but not be dictated to by us. This idea that they serve the ďsuper richĒ is nonsense. The super rich exist and can find ways around the controls of individual governments, but that doesnít mean policy is designed for them.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You consistently deny the existence of climate change, thus seeking to dismiss the consensus of worldwide expert opinion on the issue.

I prefer we listen to those experts, rather than those who just wish and hope, and take heed before itís too late. Not for me. Iíll be long gone by the time a real disaster hits, but for the unborn generations who follow us.

I care about them.

And you constantly donít read what I post. I have never denied climate change is happening, ever. My argument is how much is man made and how much is the earths doing, you know natural which would happen even if we were not here. If some of these scientists and governments had the bollox to tell us they know the kick back from most would be a WTF moment as ours is tiny. On the other hand if the earth is in imminent mortal danger from our carbon output and the only way to save it is to reduce drastically and quickly why do we have to pay. Surely money is pretty useless if you havenít got a planet to spend it on. Do you understand why Iím cynical and I repeat all the models we are shown are worst case scenarios. Not the best or the mean or even the median, just the worst so f*** the dolphins

 

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Originally posted by cryrst

And you constantly donít read what I post. I have never denied climate change is happening, ever. My argument is how much is man made and how much is the earths doing, you know natural which would happen even if we were not here. If some of these scientists and governments had the bollox to tell us they know the kick back from most would be a WTF moment as ours is tiny. On the other hand if the earth is in imminent mortal danger from our carbon output and the only way to save it is to reduce drastically and quickly why do we have to pay. Surely money is pretty useless if you havenít got a planet to spend it on. Do you understand why Iím cynical and I repeat all the models we are shown are worst case scenarios. Not the best or the mean or even the median, just the worst so f*** the dolphins

Exactly.

 


hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag Yesterday 9.15pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Itís both our aging populations and the lower birthrate which is the issue. You cannot separate them, as they both contribute.

For sure the Earthís resources are ultimately finite but we are a very long way from needing to be overly concerned.

New sources and more efficient methods of extraction are being found. New ways to use old materials are being discovered and previously disregarded materials being used. We are also recycling much more than in the past.

Making sure that the third world get enough does not mean that we wonít or that our living standards will decline. The human race is pretty smart at finding ways.

Things will continue to change, as they always have. Just at increased pace. Thatís inevitable and should be embraced rather than imitating Canute.

Our governments exist to serve us, but not be dictated to by us. This idea that they serve the ďsuper richĒ is nonsense. The super rich exist and can find ways around the controls of individual governments, but that doesnít mean policy is designed for them.

Ah yes. Everything will just magically work out.

Your golden age will never arrive. At least, not for the vast majority of us.

By the way. Canute did not think he could command the sea. It was the exact opposite. It was his subjects who foolishly thought he could.

You know. The sort of dumbasses who believe in magic.

 

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Originally posted by cryrst

And you constantly donít read what I post. I have never denied climate change is happening, ever. My argument is how much is man made and how much is the earths doing, you know natural which would happen even if we were not here. If some of these scientists and governments had the bollox to tell us they know the kick back from most would be a WTF moment as ours is tiny. On the other hand if the earth is in imminent mortal danger from our carbon output and the only way to save it is to reduce drastically and quickly why do we have to pay. Surely money is pretty useless if you havenít got a planet to spend it on. Do you understand why Iím cynical and I repeat all the models we are shown are worst case scenarios. Not the best or the mean or even the median, just the worst so f*** the dolphins

OK, I should have precessed climate change with ďman madeĒ. For that I apologise. However everything else I said remains true. The contribution of natural climate change is well understood and takes place over much longer time periods. Always many centuries and often thousands of years. During which time we have been able to adjust and move.

Man made has all occurred since the Industrial Revolution and there are vastly increased numbers of us now. Of course we look at worst case scenarios! Do you think they must be ignored?

We must prepare for the worst, expect the median and hope for the best. Right now itís looking as though the worst will be exceeded.

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Ah yes. Everything will just magically work out.

Your golden age will never arrive. At least, not for the vast majority of us.

By the way. Canute did not think he could command the sea. It was the exact opposite. It was his subjects who foolishly thought he could.

You know. The sort of dumbasses who believe in magic.

No magic, nor a golden age. Just a different one. Not involving us, but our childrenís children who will wonder what on earth grandad was getting in a strop about.

Just as we did with ours over some of their attitudes.

They might though get cross about us being selfish and not tackling climate change because we didnít want our cozy lifestyles disrupted.

 


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