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View Palacesince64's Profile Palacesince64 Flag Edinburgh 10 Jul 24 12.17pm Send a Private Message to Palacesince64 Add Palacesince64 as a friend

It is hugely frustrating to finish last season on such a high only to see Olise and possibly Eze move on by activating release clauses. Could this have been avoided? Probably not. Both were successful in the Championship, obviously talented, and clearly ambitious. Release clauses gave them control over their future and I doubt they would have signed for us without them. We find ourselves in a catch 22 . Players of their ability won’t sign for us without a release clause or stay at Palace unless we qualify for Europe, but without them Europe is beyond our grasp. It’s a measure of where we are as a club currently.

We need DF to find new gems each season, the academy to produce our own young talent, and most of all Oliver Glasner to build a successful top half team using both if we are to move to “the next level”, which for us is being in the hunt for Conference and Europa League places each season. Meantime we will have to get used to losing our best players each summer. How well we spend the money that generates will determine our future success. You only have to look at the Weed to see how precarious being in this position can be.


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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 10 Jul 24 12.32pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Palacesince64

It is hugely frustrating to finish last season on such a high only to see Olise and possibly Eze move on by activating release clauses. Could this have been avoided? Probably not. Both were successful in the Championship, obviously talented, and clearly ambitious. Release clauses gave them control over their future and I doubt they would have signed for us without them. We find ourselves in a catch 22 . Players of their ability won’t sign for us without a release clause or stay at Palace unless we qualify for Europe, but without them Europe is beyond our grasp. It’s a measure of where we are as a club currently.

We need DF to find new gems each season, the academy to produce our own young talent, and most of all Oliver Glasner to build a successful top half team using both of we are to move to “the next level”, which for us is being in the hunt for Conference and Europa League places each season. Meantime we will have to get used to losing our best players each summer. How well we spend the money that generates will determine our future success. You only have to look at the Weed to see how precarious being in this position can be.

Yep, it can feel very frustrating.

The alternative for me however is spending £50mil plus on Sakho and Benteke and getting perhaps one decent season out of the two of them whilst we're financially hamstrung by their cost & wages and still continually fighting relegation lest a nutty billionaire or consortium buy the club and spend ridiculous amounts of money which may completely f**k us in the long run.

It needs to be a full circle, recycling process and therefore can possibly be undone by a couple or even a single bad transfer window. We have to hope the club are able to continue identifying the talent we need, at lower prices.

Do that with any success and they'll keep the business financially healthy whilst producing results on the pitch that keep us at the top level and potentially more. We may well see some success with individuals whilst they're here, which will improve our ability to retain and attract talent in the first instance, but if/when they do leave we'll not be on the bitter end of the deal.

The one thing which may further help this process of course is if we have a manager who can employ a footballing philosophy which makes us less reliant upon individuals. Step forward Oliver Glasner...

I'd suggest not getting too upset by individual instances, though it is hard not too, and focussing on the bigger picture. I suspect the likes of Parish do.

COYP

 


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View Canterbury Palace's Profile Canterbury Palace Flag Whitstable 10 Jul 24 12.40pm Send a Private Message to Canterbury Palace Add Canterbury Palace as a friend

They are seemingly a necessary evil to convince these types of players to pick us over more successful clubs.

As gut-wrenching as it was to see Olise leave for that fee, ask yourself when we signed him whether you'd accept three brilliant seasons and a £30m+ profit at the end of it. The answer is surely yes.

The trick is that we need to push on ourselves, move up the table, try and get into a European competition and therefore we become a more attractive proposition automatically and our bargaining position becomes stronger.

Easier said than done but we have a good manager and a head of recruitment in place, if that is backed up with the required investment (it hasn't always in the past) we can keep moving up.

 


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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 10 Jul 24 12.46pm Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Yes,

I'd rather have had 3 seasons of Olise then nothing at all

 

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View orpingtoneagle's Profile orpingtoneagle Flag Orpington 10 Jul 24 12.50pm Send a Private Message to orpingtoneagle Add orpingtoneagle as a friend

We are stuck in a bit of a catch 22 situation right now.

Big enough to almighty at be an established Premier League side with the attraction that goes with it. Certainly big enough to lure players from abroad and the lower leagues and to be attractive enough to a younger player at one of the bigger sides where they struggle for game time.

But not a huge fish in the pond so when we do unearth these nuggets someone else is always watching and will come in and pick off the best.

Having a release clause is part of that an indicator that we will not stand in a players way when the big clubs come knocking. This probably gives is an edge in attracting the talent.

Big trick is keeping finding the players but as we do sell on at profit we have the opportunity to re invest.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Online Flag 10 Jul 24 12.58pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend


It's a cliché but the only way we can sign good players is by including a buy out clause and the only way we keep them is by getting better and the only way to get better is to keep good players. Or sign those no one else wants.
Things are compounded by the Bosman ruling - if we're going to lose players a buy-out clause is better than nothing.

 

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View Painter's Profile Painter Flag Croydon 10 Jul 24 1.19pm Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle


It's a cliché but the only way we can sign good players is by including a buy out clause and the only way we keep them is by getting better and the only way to get better is to keep good players. Or sign those no one else wants.
Things are compounded by the Bosman ruling - if we're going to lose players a buy-out clause is better than nothing.

It all depends who inserts a buyout clause. If it’s done by the club, no problem, we are protecting our interest . If the player does, not good, as they are protecting themselves with a view to move on.

No other player at the club has a buyout clause, unless someone has hard proof they have and who’s favour is it in.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Online Flag 10 Jul 24 1.30pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Painter

It all depends who inserts a buyout clause. If it’s done by the club, no problem, we are protecting our interest . If the player does, not good, as they are protecting themselves with a view to move on.

No other player at the club has a buyout clause, unless someone has hard proof they have and who’s favour is it in.

Hard to see why the club would want to have a release clause which precludes a bidding war for an in demand player.

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 10 Jul 24 1.31pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

By the same token, nobody on here can prove that players’ contracts don’t include such clauses in the absence of the visibility of the contracts.

I’m not in favour of them in principle , even though I understand the counter arguments .

If we have to have them ,it seems preposterous that Olise has been able to leave almost before the ink on his long term contract is dry.

Perhaps, to avoid running the risk of losing a few at the same time the clauses should be staggered to avoid such upheaval e.g Olise kicks in this summer, but Eze’s couldn’t be triggered until next summer , Wharton’s the following summer (unless the clu choose otherwise).
This assumes there are such clauses in contracts of other players.

At least that way the club retains some sort of control over future planning.


Originally posted by Painter

It all depends who inserts a buyout clause. If it’s done by the club, no problem, we are protecting our interest . If the player does, not good, as they are protecting themselves with a view to move on.

No other player at the club has a buyout clause, unless someone has hard proof they have and who’s favour is it in.

 

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View dreamwaverider's Profile dreamwaverider Flag London 10 Jul 24 2.23pm Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Olise's was an odd one because we somehow persuaded him to extend his contract for a bigger salary and a higher release clause. When that deal was done, he was already arguably worth more than say £55m, but in my opinion, Parish did very well getting that as the figure.
His injury record isn't great. At the time of signing the new contract he was still in rehab from a hamstring operation the future of which was unknown. It is remarkable that he has recovered as well as he has.
Everything considered, I felt the contract was very fair. The fact that he performed as well as he has since recovering is the ultimate upside which left it looking like he went cheap.
If his progress continues as well at Bayern, who knows what his future holds. As one of the world's most elite clubs it is probable he will stay put especially when you look at the talent playing in his position at the other few elite clubs in Europe.

 

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View est1905's Profile est1905 Flag 10 Jul 24 3.26pm Send a Private Message to est1905 Add est1905 as a friend

It isn't a 100% certainty that each young prospect we bring in has to have a release clause. It really depends upon a number of circumstances. Often when a player is plucked from the Championship he is so keen on the move that he will agree to no release clause if the buying club wont agree to one. Wharton is an example. The club also added a layer of protection to his value by signing him to a 5 year contract. With Wharton's potential he he likey to be highly sought after in the first three years of that contract. Thats when you offer him a new deal (without a release clause/with one that's stupid money). He accepts and its happy days. If he rejects it the club will be in a Marc Guehi situation. Reluctantly selling him but on the club's terms and for his true value.
Olise and Eze (IF true-we do not know for sure he has a release clause, only media speculation)are isolated cases. The club probably knew Olise certainly was looking for a stepping stone. Somewhere to learn and improve before he moved to a top club but did not want to be tied to hard to that club. This is a business at the end of the day and the arrangement suited both parties. Lets not forget he had the opportunity to walk a year ago but decided he was still happy where he is and in exchange for a higher release figure agreed to stay put.
There will undoubtedly be more cases like this in the future but I dont believe they will become the rule but will remain the exception.

 

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View Painter's Profile Painter Flag Croydon 10 Jul 24 3.46pm Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Hard to see why the club would want to have a release clause which precludes a bidding war for an in demand player.

Because, they want to keep the player on their terms. Barcelona have put a billion euro buyout clause in Yamals contract ( the kid, that scored Spain’s wonder goal ). Nobody is going to trigger it, but Barcelona have the player for the length of his contract.

 

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