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kingdowieonthewall Flag Sussex, ex-Cronx. 31 Jul 24 7.49am Send a Private Message to kingdowieonthewall Add kingdowieonthewall as a friend

Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

The killer turns 18 in about 20 days, whilst I understand the law on releasing information on people under the age of 18, we live in a world (for better or worse) where information is easily accessible in the blink of an eye, his name, home address & even his brother's details have been leaked online.

Perhaps releasing the killers name earlier (considering he is days away from being 18 anyway) would have helped release some of the pressure that has been building the past few days.

I don't expect some on here to understand the next part but I'll post anyway.
This is by no means a definitive list & more a list of things that have run through my mind as I'm sat here typing on my phone & I know the pedants will be all over it with their akshually (deliberate meme) dross.

For the best part of 20 years anyone who challenges the narrative that diversity is a strength has had to turn a blind eye to being demonised, labelled a Nazi, milkshaked, cancelled, witness churches burning across europe, churches being converted into mosques, told not to look back in anger as children are blown up, witnessed the industrialised rape of 500,000 white girls, prison time for saying it's ok to be white, labelled derogatory racist terms such as Gammon, the destruction of historical statues, be lectured to that to be English is nothing more than a feeling, witness the rapid decline in quality of life in our towns & cities, have investigations into grooming gangs withheld from the public, black lives matter nonsense, trans nonsense, the balkanisation of Britain happening in real time.

The straw that appears to finally have broken the camels back is innocent sweet little girls being knifed to death in what is quite clearly a terrorist attack, when you pre meditate such a thing travel to said location & go after the most vulnerable in our society it sends a clear message that no one is safe here, it's also an attack on the future of this country.

It doesn't matter if it was a mosque, an asylum seeker centre, a police station or the houses of parliament that was targeted,
When you have a mass of people who have completely given up on the political process, a people so utterly disenfranchised by it all it's a miracle it's taken this long & even then we're talking about 100 or so people lobbing bricks at the police & setting fire to a police van, of course the go to is for posters to come on here wishing death on other posters, the usual cliche insults of neo nazi etc all being thrown around.

The Tories & Labour have got us to where we are now, wish death on them not your fellow poster.

that is one excellent post Ouzo.

 


Kids,tired of being bothered by your pesky parents?
Then leave home, get a job & pay your own bills, while you still know everything.

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Henry of Peckham Flag Eton Mess 31 Jul 24 7.52am Send a Private Message to Henry of Peckham Add Henry of Peckham as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Balance, objectivity and order is the only way forward. Lurching to extremes gets us nowhere.

Agreed but we don't ever move forward ...

There isn't any place in society for individuals or groups that perform heinous criminal acts on their victims. However, we'll waste time and an awful lot of money to protect the perpetrators on the pretence that they are paying their dues to society. It's absurdly unbalanced.

 


Denial is not just a river in Egypt

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orpingtoneagle Flag Orpington 31 Jul 24 7.58am Send a Private Message to orpingtoneagle Add orpingtoneagle as a friend

I remain unconvinced that some of the 'patriots,' who were out in force in Southport had any real aims to protest about the tragic events there or in wider society.

I think they were just after a bit of a tear up.

 

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Behind Enemy Lines Flag Sussex 31 Jul 24 7.59am Send a Private Message to Behind Enemy Lines Add Behind Enemy Lines as a friend

Originally posted by Henry of Peckham

Agreed but we don't ever move forward ...

There isn't any place in society for individuals or groups that perform heinous criminal acts on their victims. However, we'll waste time and an awful lot of money to protect the perpetrators on the pretence that they are paying their dues to society. It's absurdly unbalanced.

As the old sales mantra goes: If you always do what you’ve always done, you always get what you’ve always got. Change needed.

 


hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

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YT Flag Oxford 31 Jul 24 8.29am Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Balance, objectivity and order is the only way forward. Lurching to extremes gets us nowhere.

Extremes such as calling for wealth to be transferred to the people from the ultra-wealthy, for example.

 


Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 31 Jul 24 8.49am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Are you angry about what happened?

About the bone heads deciding to attack a mosque and the police? Less anger than disgust at their stupidity, lack of respect and lack of sensitivity.

What on earth do they think they were trying to achieve?

About what happened to the children? Again anger isn’t the right word. I feel very sad for the loss of young innocent life and for the impact it must have on those who loved them, and the wider local community.

About the perpetrator? Again anger isn’t the right word. Feeling anger isn’t going to help anyone. Trying to understand what caused anyone to commit such a heinous crime is much more important. I find it hard to believe that anyone capable of doing something like that is mentally stable but want to see what the investigations now being carried out reveal. Until then I don’t feel anger. I feel relief they are in custody and incapable of causing anymore death, pain and suffering.

 


For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 31 Jul 24 8.59am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Societies label the most evil as mentally ill so they don't have to face up to the fact there that very very evil people are roaming about.

Breivik was labelled as criminally insane as the Norwegians could not accept that someone could be so evil.

I don't agree any crime such as Southport with clear planning and pre meditation can be treated as the act of someone insane and not aware of their actions.

This is a clear case where capital punishment would be the correct penalty as far as I am concerned.

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 31 Jul 24 9.10am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

The killer turns 18 in about 20 days, whilst I understand the law on releasing information on people under the age of 18, we live in a world (for better or worse) where information is easily accessible in the blink of an eye, his name, home address & even his brother's details have been leaked online.

Perhaps releasing the killers name earlier (considering he is days away from being 18 anyway) would have helped release some of the pressure that has been building the past few days.

I don't expect some on here to understand the next part but I'll post anyway.
This is by no means a definitive list & more a list of things that have run through my mind as I'm sat here typing on my phone & I know the pedants will be all over it with their akshually (deliberate meme) dross.

For the best part of 20 years anyone who challenges the narrative that diversity is a strength has had to turn a blind eye to being demonised, labelled a Nazi, milkshaked, cancelled, witness churches burning across europe, churches being converted into mosques, told not to look back in anger as children are blown up, witnessed the industrialised rape of 500,000 white girls, prison time for saying it's ok to be white, labelled derogatory racist terms such as Gammon, the destruction of historical statues, be lectured to that to be English is nothing more than a feeling, witness the rapid decline in quality of life in our towns & cities, have investigations into grooming gangs withheld from the public, black lives matter nonsense, trans nonsense, the balkanisation of Britain happening in real time.

The straw that appears to finally have broken the camels back is innocent sweet little girls being knifed to death in what is quite clearly a terrorist attack, when you pre meditate such a thing travel to said location & go after the most vulnerable in our society it sends a clear message that no one is safe here, it's also an attack on the future of this country.

It doesn't matter if it was a mosque, an asylum seeker centre, a police station or the houses of parliament that was targeted,
When you have a mass of people who have completely given up on the political process, a people so utterly disenfranchised by it all it's a miracle it's taken this long & even then we're talking about 100 or so people lobbing bricks at the police & setting fire to a police van, of course the go to is for posters to come on here wishing death on other posters, the usual cliche insults of neo nazi etc all being thrown around.

The Tories & Labour have got us to where we are now, wish death on them not your fellow poster.


The problem with this, and the reaction you are attempting to defend and justify is this:-

The police have clearly and unequivocally stated they are not treating this as a terror incident. They are saying very little more, but they hold the suspect, know who he is so know much more than we do.

You, and apparently those that went to Southport yesterday, have decided they “clearly” know it was a terror attack. They know the suspects identify because it has been leaked online, despite the fact that the leaks have been condemned as false information. So best to wait for official confirmation.

This helps no one. As I suggested in my early comments in this thread rushing to judgement has the potential to make things worse not better.

It did yesterday evening. It wasn’t needed.

Giving the families of the victims and the people of Southport the respect they deserve and time and space to come to terms with the shock, is what is needed.


 


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XKudu Flag The Midlands, England 31 Jul 24 9.14am Send a Private Message to XKudu Add XKudu as a friend

Let’s first see what the official explanation is as to the motive.

I hope they don’t try to bury a more troubling societal or even radical religious motive by labelling it mental incapacity but you never know these days. We can only solve these problems when we confront the uncomfortable truth.

Edited by XKudu (31 Jul 2024 9.15am)

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 31 Jul 24 9.17am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

About the bone heads deciding to attack a mosque and the police? Less anger than disgust at their stupidity, lack of respect and lack of sensitivity.

What on earth do they think they were trying to achieve?

About what happened to the children? Again anger isn’t the right word. I feel very sad for the loss of young innocent life and for the impact it must have on those who loved them, and the wider local community.

About the perpetrator? Again anger isn’t the right word. Feeling anger isn’t going to help anyone. Trying to understand what caused anyone to commit such a heinous crime is much more important. I find it hard to believe that anyone capable of doing something like that is mentally stable but want to see what the investigations now being carried out reveal. Until then I don’t feel anger. I feel relief they are in custody and incapable of causing anymore death, pain and suffering.

You are not angry?

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 31 Jul 24 9.19am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by XKudu

Let’s first see what the official explanation is as to the motive.

I hope they don’t try to bury a more troubling societal or even radical religious motive by labelling it mental incapacity but you never know these days. We can only solve these problems when we confront the uncomfortable truth.

Edited by XKudu (31 Jul 2024 9.15am)

But is it the ‘actual’ truth we get or a truth that protects past and present terrible decisions!

 

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 31 Jul 24 9.24am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

You are not angry?

BBS calling attack on mosque act of terrorism, not killing the murders that though are they.

 


One more point

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