Does religion have a place in modern society?
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 Jay_Palace  16 Mar 05 8.08pm |
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Quote the despotic banana at 16 Mar 2005 7:56pm
Quote roffeyeagle at 16 Mar 2005 7:29pm
Quote the despotic banana at 16 Mar 2005 7:21pm
Quote roffeyeagle at 16 Mar 2005 7:09pm
Quite simply, Britain is not a Muslim country, it is not a Sikh country, it is not a Hindu country. No disrespect to these religions at all, I respect people for choosing their beliefs and sticking to them but openly practising their religions will incite people, no question.
edit: Muslims and Hindus have as much right as Christians to practice their religions. Edited by the despotic banana (16 Mar 2005 7:22pm) You could say that yes, but a western civilised world with Christianity just doesn't mix with the anti-capitalist views of Islam. Conflict is inevitable because some of them, only a small proportion, despise western civilisation and see it as a threat to their religion. It is easy for people to tar them all with the same brush, it is not right but it happens. They have their views and beliefs, they won't change them. There are small-binded biggots on both sides of the coin and as a result there will never be total harmony in the world. Religion does have a place in the world, definitely. But there is no way at all that Islamic, in particular, groups will cue peace and harmony in the world when they are living with Westerners.
I don't know where the beef with Hindus has come from, I'm not aware of Hindu extremists preaching hate and intolerance towards our way of life. However the same cannot be said of the pocket of Islamic extremistcs that exist in this country (I suggest that this pocket is far bigger than people like to admit as well) who are a direct threat to our way of life. As this is a christian country first and foremost, that is why the Islamic community, rightly or wrongly has been the main target of distrust. However like I said, I believe this dislike of the west is more prevelent in Islamic culture in this country than people like to admit. Take a trip to the Black Country if you don't believe me, there whole area isd a powder keg waiting to go off. I personally agree to Roffey, it's naive to pretend that Islamic culture can exist side by side in the UK and I think that there may be an unhappy ending to this particular experiment. Edited by Jay_Palace (16 Mar 2005 8:08pm)
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| Petealiator 1066 Country! 16 Mar 05 8.08pm |
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Quote tetley at 16 Mar 2005 7:48pm
Quote roffeyeagle at 16 Mar 2005 7:45pm
The Church in England is the Church of England, which is Protestant, Henry VIII changed that about 500 years ago. Edited by roffeyeagle (16 Mar 2005 7:45pm)
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| roffeyeagle Freedman Wonderland 16 Mar 05 8.10pm |
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Quote Petealiator at 16 Mar 2005 8:08pm
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Quote roffeyeagle at 16 Mar 2005 7:45pm
The Church in England is the Church of England, which is Protestant, Henry VIII changed that about 500 years ago. Edited by roffeyeagle (16 Mar 2005 7:45pm)
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| Petealiator 1066 Country! 16 Mar 05 8.13pm |
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Quote tetley at 16 Mar 2005 7:16pm
None of your self-indulgent whinging will change that!! Edited by tetley (16 Mar 2005 7:18pm)
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the despotic banana  Dept. of Baboon Maintenance 16 Mar 05 8.15pm |
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roffeyeagle first brought up Hindus when he said - "Britain is not a Muslim country, it is not a Sikh country, it is not a Hindu country." Basically, if you're not a WASP, F*CK OFF!
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| roffeyeagle Freedman Wonderland 16 Mar 05 8.24pm |
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Quote the despotic banana at 16 Mar 2005 8:15pm
roffeyeagle first brought up Hindus when he said - "Britain is not a Muslim country, it is not a Sikh country, it is not a Hindu country." Basically, if you're not a WASP, F*CK OFF! Did I ever say that if you're not a WASP then f*** off? No, I said why should non-WASPs be allowed to openly practice a religion that does not belong in Britain? Why should non-WASPs be allowed to aggravate British people with their religous antics, if it is not even the home of the religion? It's not only that, but this inept Government are letting them do it, and anything we say that is protecting us is wrong. This is totally f***ed up. I accept that the world is evolving, people want to make better lives for themselves in wealthier areas. Fair play to you, trying to make the most of what you are. But why should they be allowed to do it at the expense and aggravation of WASPs or any other Christian? They shouldn't, that's my point. It wouldn't be alright if millions of WASPs went over to ****stan and starting building churches, having anti-Islamic marches, burning the ****stani Flag and started openly practicing Christianity in ****stan would it? No. Edited by roffeyeagle (16 Mar 2005 8:31pm)
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francis  deep in the heart of nowhere 16 Mar 05 8.25pm |
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it does seem to have a place in most societys however in the more addvanced it seems to be on an increasingly tenuious ground. Dawiny theory is provable & makes the need for god irrealavant. As to the how the stucture of the universes were formed there is increased evidence that big bang was the start of life, weather one needs a god to cause this is debatable. on personal note no I don't believe there is a god
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| Jay_Palace 16 Mar 05 8.30pm |
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Quote francis at 16 Mar 2005 8:25pm
it does seem to have a place in most societys however in the more addvanced it seems to be on an increasingly tenuious ground. Dawiny theory is provable & makes the need for god irrealavant. As to the how the stucture of the universes were formed there is increased evidence that big bang was the start of life, weather one needs a god to cause this is debatable. on personal note no I don't believe there is a god The big bang theory is laughable and is just one of a number of attempts by scientists who actually know very little, to baffle the ordinary person with long words and mathematical equations. So an explosion just decided to spontaneously happen? Into what space did the explosion expand into/ What was there before the explosion? these are little details that the big bang theory conveniently fails to address. I don't buy it as a theory for one second. On the topic of religon, it will always have a role in human society, for the simple reason that it gives people something to cling on to. I liken religon to an enormous security blanket. It asks little of you and is always there to comfort you in times of grief and despair. Also, when you are on your deathbed it is the only thing that you have left to turn to. Humans are ultimately vulnerable beings and need something to fall back on. Religon provides this.
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| iantheeagle Oxford 16 Mar 05 8.32pm |
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Quote francis at 16 Mar 2005 8:25pm
it does seem to have a place in most societys however in the more addvanced it seems to be on an increasingly tenuious ground. Dawiny theory is provable & makes the need for god irrealavant. As to the how the stucture of the universes were formed there is increased evidence that big bang was the start of life, weather one needs a god to cause this is debatable. on personal note no I don't believe there is a god
However... The question of 'what happens when we die' remains unanswered, and whatever you believe about it, a person's religion offers an understanding to them as to what does happen. Therefore, I believe that it's stupid to say religion has no place in modern society. (This is an extremely basic post I know, but I'm going no deeper!)
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| tetley Wimbledon 16 Mar 05 8.36pm |
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Quote Petealiator at 16 Mar 2005 8:13pm
Quote tetley at 16 Mar 2005 7:16pm
None of your self-indulgent whinging will change that!! Edited by tetley (16 Mar 2005 7:18pm)
outside the saloon at noon - this isn't the wild west. i'm putting my point across on the internet! - really no need to take it that seriously!! and by the way I don't have a problem with putting my opinion to people face to face either. if you believe in soemthing, you should say it.
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| the despotic banana Dept. of Baboon Maintenance 16 Mar 05 8.47pm |
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Quote roffeyeagle at 16 Mar 2005 8:24pm
Quote the despotic banana at 16 Mar 2005 8:15pm
roffeyeagle first brought up Hindus when he said - "Britain is not a Muslim country, it is not a Sikh country, it is not a Hindu country." Basically, if you're not a WASP, F*CK OFF! 1. Did I ever say that if you're not a WASP then f*** off? 2. No, I said why should non-WASPs be allowed to openly practice a religion that does not belong in Britain? 3. Why should non-WASPs be allowed to aggravate British people with their religous antics, if it is not even the home of the religion? It's not only that, but this inept Government are letting them do it, and anything we say that is protecting us is wrong. This is totally f***ed up. I accept that the world is evolving, people want to make better lives for themselves in wealthier areas. Fair play to you, trying to make the most of what you are. But why should they be allowed to do it at the expense and aggravation of WASPs or any other Christian? They shouldn't, that's my point. 4. It wouldn't be alright if millions of WASPs went over to ****stan and starting building churches, having anti-Islamic marches, burning the ****stani Flag and started openly practicing Christianity in ****stan would it? No. Edited by roffeyeagle (16 Mar 2005 8:31pm)
2. Who exactly decides what religion 'belongs in Britain' then? You? 3. If people are so bigoted that other people's different religions 'aggravate' them, then that's their own problem. 4. This point implies that millions of non-WASPS in Britain go around burning the Union Jack and declaiming Christianity. Do you honestly believe that?
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jcreedy  16 Mar 05 8.50pm |
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The subject of religion even makes members of a Crystal Palace FC supporters website swear at, argue with and abuse each other. That says it all really
It was my dream to play for Palace and to make my debut. I've always played for the club so if I'm playing here, I wouldn't want to be anywhere else. - John Bostock (Nov 2007) |
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