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Hrolf The Ganger 24 Nov 14 12.25pm
Quote sydtheeagle at 24 Nov 2014 11.33am It amuses me no end that the same board right wingers who were so astoundingly offended by Emily Thornberry's lazy classist remarks last week find Dave Whelan's lazy racist remarks this week so palatable. At least those of us on the left are not hypocrites, and criticise all 'isms not matter the source. Right-wingers, as usual, are not equal opportunity observers. I don't think the Thornberry episode has anything to do with class. She was trying to imply that the sort of people who live in Rochester are your typical flag waving, van driving, UKIP supporting types. It was political suicide because it mocks pride in the English flag and the working man. It was also a demonstration of the sort of middle class, liberalism that the Labour party seems to stand for these days. The implication for voters, rightly or wrongly, is that Labour put the rights of immigrants before those of the average working class white man.
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Quote sydtheeagle at 24 Nov 2014 11.33am

It amuses me no end that the same board right wingers who were so astoundingly offended by Emily Thornberry's lazy classist remarks last week find Dave Whelan's lazy racist remarks this week so palatable. At least those of us on the left are not hypocrites, and criticise all 'isms not matter the source. Right-wingers, as usual, are not equal opportunity observers.

I don't think the Thornberry episode has anything to do with class. She was trying to imply that the sort of people who live in Rochester are your typical flag waving, van driving, UKIP supporting types.
It was political suicide because it mocks pride in the English flag and the working man. It was also a demonstration of the sort of middle class, liberalism that the Labour party seems to stand for these days.
The implication for voters, rightly or wrongly, is that Labour put the rights of immigrants before those of the average working class white man.

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Hrolf The Ganger 24 Nov 14 12.32pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 24 Nov 2014 11.18am Quote Seth at 23 Nov 2014 1.35am I'll never stop finding it amusingly ironic that the poster known as Hrolf The Ganger, that hater of all things multicultural and one so terribly put out by the "waves of immigrants" he perceives, and so terrified of being "swamped" by foreigners, takes his name from a Viking invader who conquered foreign lands and imposed his culture on them at the point of a sword. The historian Adhemar recorded that on nearing his death Rollo [Hrolf] had a hundred Christian prisoners beheaded in front of himself to appease and honour the old gods [Link] Edited by Seth (23 Nov 2014 1.35am) Ayran blonde haired blue eyed invaders are acceptable maybe? LOL. Actually he was a relation of mine. (apparently) He was quite a nasty bugger by some accounts but that was in a world of nasty buggers of course.
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24 Nov 14 12.32pm

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Quote Seth at 23 Nov 2014 1.35am

I'll never stop finding it amusingly ironic that the poster known as Hrolf The Ganger, that hater of all things multicultural and one so terribly put out by the "waves of immigrants" he perceives, and so terrified of being "swamped" by foreigners, takes his name from a Viking invader who conquered foreign lands and imposed his culture on them at the point of a sword.

The historian Adhemar recorded that on nearing his death Rollo [Hrolf] had a hundred Christian prisoners beheaded in front of himself to appease and honour the old gods
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Edited by Seth (23 Nov 2014 1.35am)

Ayran blonde haired blue eyed invaders are acceptable maybe?

LOL.
Actually he was a relation of mine. (apparently)
He was quite a nasty bugger by some accounts but that was in a world of nasty buggers of course.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 24 Nov 14 12.50pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 24 Nov 2014 12.32pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 24 Nov 2014 11.18am Quote Seth at 23 Nov 2014 1.35am I'll never stop finding it amusingly ironic that the poster known as Hrolf The Ganger, that hater of all things multicultural and one so terribly put out by the "waves of immigrants" he perceives, and so terrified of being "swamped" by foreigners, takes his name from a Viking invader who conquered foreign lands and imposed his culture on them at the point of a sword. The historian Adhemar recorded that on nearing his death Rollo [Hrolf] had a hundred Christian prisoners beheaded in front of himself to appease and honour the old gods [Link] Edited by Seth (23 Nov 2014 1.35am) Ayran blonde haired blue eyed invaders are acceptable maybe? LOL. Actually he was a relation of mine. (apparently) He was quite a nasty bugger by some accounts but that was in a world of nasty buggers of course. It does show a commitment to faith when you have to behead 100 Christian prisoners, personally, just to appease the old gods. Most people complain about giving up a Sunday lie in. Old gods don't mess about. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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The historian Adhemar recorded that on nearing his death Rollo [Hrolf] had a hundred Christian prisoners beheaded in front of himself to appease and honour the old gods
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Edited by Seth (23 Nov 2014 1.35am)

Ayran blonde haired blue eyed invaders are acceptable maybe?

LOL.
Actually he was a relation of mine. (apparently)
He was quite a nasty bugger by some accounts but that was in a world of nasty buggers of course.

It does show a commitment to faith when you have to behead 100 Christian prisoners, personally, just to appease the old gods. Most people complain about giving up a Sunday lie in.

Old gods don't mess about.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 24 Nov 14 12.52pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 24 Nov 2014 12.25pm Quote sydtheeagle at 24 Nov 2014 11.33am It amuses me no end that the same board right wingers who were so astoundingly offended by Emily Thornberry's lazy classist remarks last week find Dave Whelan's lazy racist remarks this week so palatable. At least those of us on the left are not hypocrites, and criticise all 'isms not matter the source. Right-wingers, as usual, are not equal opportunity observers. I don't think the Thornberry episode has anything to do with class. She was trying to imply that the sort of people who live in Rochester are your typical flag waving, van driving, UKIP supporting types. It was political suicide because it mocks pride in the English flag and the working man. It was also a demonstration of the sort of middle class, liberalism that the Labour party seems to stand for these days. The implication for voters, rightly or wrongly, is that Labour put the rights of immigrants before those of the average working class white man. Where as everyone knows that the people who live in Rochester are typically serial child molesters. No wait, that's Rochdale, ah well - They're probably all at it as well. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Where as everyone knows that the people who live in Rochester are typically serial child molesters. No wait, that's Rochdale, ah well - They're probably all at it as well.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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sydtheeagle England 24 Nov 14 1.03pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 24 Nov 2014 12.25pm It was also a demonstration of the sort of middle class, liberalism that the Labour party seems to stand for these days. Labour put the rights of immigrants before those of the average working class white man. So it's about class, then? We agree after all. Sydenham by birth. Selhurst by the Grace of God.
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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 24 Nov 2014 12.25pm

It was also a demonstration of the sort of middle class, liberalism that the Labour party seems to stand for these days.

Labour put the rights of immigrants before those of the average working class white man.

So it's about class, then? We agree after all.

Sydenham by birth. Selhurst by the Grace of God.

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Hrolf The Ganger 24 Nov 14 1.07pm
Quote sydtheeagle at 24 Nov 2014 1.03pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 24 Nov 2014 12.25pm It was also a demonstration of the sort of middle class, liberalism that the Labour party seems to stand for these days. Labour put the rights of immigrants before those of the average working class white man. So it's about class, then? We agree after all. There is certainly a tenancy for some in the middle class to defend the rights of others, whether they want it or not, but this particular episode was about politics.
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Hrolf The Ganger

24 Nov 14 1.07pm

Quote sydtheeagle at 24 Nov 2014 1.03pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 24 Nov 2014 12.25pm

It was also a demonstration of the sort of middle class, liberalism that the Labour party seems to stand for these days.

Labour put the rights of immigrants before those of the average working class white man.

So it's about class, then? We agree after all.

There is certainly a tenancy for some in the middle class to defend the rights of others, whether they want it or not, but this particular episode was about politics.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 24 Nov 14 1.09pm
Quote sydtheeagle at 24 Nov 2014 1.03pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 24 Nov 2014 12.25pm It was also a demonstration of the sort of middle class, liberalism that the Labour party seems to stand for these days. Labour put the rights of immigrants before those of the average working class white man. So it's about class, then? We agree after all. Thank god that UKIP will put the rights of the working class man in front of immigrants, but also firmly behind the Upper and Middle Class (migrant or otherwise), where they belong. Huzzah! (Also in terms of migrants and immigrants, Labour didn't actually put the rights of either above the working class, at worst all they did was extend the same rights in employment to both the migrants and native British working class). The working class also includes UK immigrants, in low and non-skilled working class (and is possibly racist dependent on how you define the separation of race and nationality within the question ie at what point are you a national. Citizenship? Edited by jamiemartin721 (24 Nov 2014 1.13pm) "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 24 Nov 14 1.09pm

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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 24 Nov 2014 12.25pm

It was also a demonstration of the sort of middle class, liberalism that the Labour party seems to stand for these days.

Labour put the rights of immigrants before those of the average working class white man.

So it's about class, then? We agree after all.

Thank god that UKIP will put the rights of the working class man in front of immigrants, but also firmly behind the Upper and Middle Class (migrant or otherwise), where they belong.

Huzzah!

(Also in terms of migrants and immigrants, Labour didn't actually put the rights of either above the working class, at worst all they did was extend the same rights in employment to both the migrants and native British working class).

The working class also includes UK immigrants, in low and non-skilled working class (and is possibly racist dependent on how you define the separation of race and nationality within the question ie at what point are you a national. Citizenship?

Edited by jamiemartin721 (24 Nov 2014 1.13pm)

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 24 Nov 14 1.16pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 24 Nov 2014 1.07pm Quote sydtheeagle at 24 Nov 2014 1.03pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 24 Nov 2014 12.25pm It was also a demonstration of the sort of middle class, liberalism that the Labour party seems to stand for these days. Labour put the rights of immigrants before those of the average working class white man. So it's about class, then? We agree after all. There is certainly a tenancy for some in the middle class to defend the rights of others, whether they want it or not, but this particular episode was about politics. Indeed the middle class isn't really a class that's easily defined, it tends to be much more schizophrenic, drawing attributes from the upper class, working class and aristocratic classes. Also most people mistake upper working classes for middle classes (a moot point, as in a post-industrial UK definitions of class defined by industrial relationships are meaningless). "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 24 Nov 2014 12.25pm

It was also a demonstration of the sort of middle class, liberalism that the Labour party seems to stand for these days.

Labour put the rights of immigrants before those of the average working class white man.

So it's about class, then? We agree after all.

There is certainly a tenancy for some in the middle class to defend the rights of others, whether they want it or not, but this particular episode was about politics.

Indeed the middle class isn't really a class that's easily defined, it tends to be much more schizophrenic, drawing attributes from the upper class, working class and aristocratic classes.

Also most people mistake upper working classes for middle classes (a moot point, as in a post-industrial UK definitions of class defined by industrial relationships are meaningless).

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Hrolf The Ganger 24 Nov 14 1.16pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 24 Nov 2014 12.50pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 24 Nov 2014 12.32pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 24 Nov 2014 11.18am Quote Seth at 23 Nov 2014 1.35am I'll never stop finding it amusingly ironic that the poster known as Hrolf The Ganger, that hater of all things multicultural and one so terribly put out by the "waves of immigrants" he perceives, and so terrified of being "swamped" by foreigners, takes his name from a Viking invader who conquered foreign lands and imposed his culture on them at the point of a sword. The historian Adhemar recorded that on nearing his death Rollo [Hrolf] had a hundred Christian prisoners beheaded in front of himself to appease and honour the old gods [Link] Edited by Seth (23 Nov 2014 1.35am) Ayran blonde haired blue eyed invaders are acceptable maybe? LOL. Actually he was a relation of mine. (apparently) He was quite a nasty bugger by some accounts but that was in a world of nasty buggers of course. It does show a commitment to faith when you have to behead 100 Christian prisoners, personally, just to appease the old gods. Most people complain about giving up a Sunday lie in. Old gods don't mess about. That was in the 10th century of course. Unfortunately there are those who still think beheading of infidels is fashionable. Obviously the last 1000 years or so passed them by.
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Quote Seth at 23 Nov 2014 1.35am

The historian Adhemar recorded that on nearing his death Rollo [Hrolf] had a hundred Christian prisoners beheaded in front of himself to appease and honour the old gods
[Link]

Edited by Seth (23 Nov 2014 1.35am)

Ayran blonde haired blue eyed invaders are acceptable maybe?

LOL.
Actually he was a relation of mine. (apparently)
He was quite a nasty bugger by some accounts but that was in a world of nasty buggers of course.

It does show a commitment to faith when you have to behead 100 Christian prisoners, personally, just to appease the old gods. Most people complain about giving up a Sunday lie in.

Old gods don't mess about.

That was in the 10th century of course. Unfortunately there are those who still think beheading of infidels is fashionable. Obviously the last 1000 years or so passed them by.

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black eagle. south croydon. 24 Nov 14 1.21pm
The fact that Whelen says he will resign as Wigan chairman is disgusting on his part. he is more or less saying what i said about Jewish and Chinese people is right. Your stuck in a time warp Dave and i hope you are charged.
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south croydon. 24 Nov 14 1.21pm

The fact that Whelen says he will resign as Wigan chairman is disgusting on his part.

he is more or less saying what i said about Jewish and Chinese people is right.

Your stuck in a time warp Dave and i hope you are charged.

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Hrolf The Ganger 24 Nov 14 1.21pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 24 Nov 2014 1.16pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 24 Nov 2014 1.07pm Quote sydtheeagle at 24 Nov 2014 1.03pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 24 Nov 2014 12.25pm It was also a demonstration of the sort of middle class, liberalism that the Labour party seems to stand for these days. Labour put the rights of immigrants before those of the average working class white man. So it's about class, then? We agree after all. There is certainly a tenancy for some in the middle class to defend the rights of others, whether they want it or not, but this particular episode was about politics. Indeed the middle class isn't really a class that's easily defined, it tends to be much more schizophrenic, drawing attributes from the upper class, working class and aristocratic classes. Also most people mistake upper working classes for middle classes (a moot point, as in a post-industrial UK definitions of class defined by industrial relationships are meaningless). Perceptions of class seems to be more about upbringing, education and taste these days.
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24 Nov 14 1.21pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 24 Nov 2014 1.16pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 24 Nov 2014 1.07pm

Quote sydtheeagle at 24 Nov 2014 1.03pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 24 Nov 2014 12.25pm

It was also a demonstration of the sort of middle class, liberalism that the Labour party seems to stand for these days.

Labour put the rights of immigrants before those of the average working class white man.

So it's about class, then? We agree after all.

There is certainly a tenancy for some in the middle class to defend the rights of others, whether they want it or not, but this particular episode was about politics.

Indeed the middle class isn't really a class that's easily defined, it tends to be much more schizophrenic, drawing attributes from the upper class, working class and aristocratic classes.

Also most people mistake upper working classes for middle classes (a moot point, as in a post-industrial UK definitions of class defined by industrial relationships are meaningless).

Perceptions of class seems to be more about upbringing, education and taste these days.

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Hrolf The Ganger 24 Nov 14 1.23pm
Quote black eagle. at 24 Nov 2014 1.21pm The fact that Whelen says he will resign as Wigan chairman is disgusting on his part. he is more or less saying what i said about Jewish and Chinese people is right. Your stuck in a time warp Dave and i hope you are charged. An interesting interpretation. What would you have him do ?
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Hrolf The Ganger

24 Nov 14 1.23pm

Quote black eagle. at 24 Nov 2014 1.21pm

The fact that Whelen says he will resign as Wigan chairman is disgusting on his part.

he is more or less saying what i said about Jewish and Chinese people is right.

Your stuck in a time warp Dave and i hope you are charged.

An interesting interpretation. What would you have him do ?

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