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Ray in Houston Houston 27 Oct 17 8.22pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger So why did Ruby kill Oswald on live TV? Well the live TV part, I'm sure, was just an accident. It was the only time Ruby had access. As to why, I have no idea. Why did Paddock shoot up Las Vegas? It's a bit like the show "Dexter", if you're going to kill someone, make it someone who, as they say in Texas, "needs killin'". We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So why did Ruby kill Oswald on live TV?

Well the live TV part, I'm sure, was just an accident. It was the only time Ruby had access. As to why, I have no idea.

Why did Paddock shoot up Las Vegas? It's a bit like the show "Dexter", if you're going to kill someone, make it someone who, as they say in Texas, "needs killin'".

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 27 Oct 17 8.50pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston Well the live TV part, I'm sure, was just an accident. It was the only time Ruby had access. As to why, I have no idea. Why did Paddock shoot up Las Vegas? It's a bit like the show "Dexter", if you're going to kill someone, make it someone who, as they say in Texas, "needs killin'". Did this Jack Ruby character really shoot Oswald? Did he act alone? Was it all a fake and Oswald lived on a fat pension somewhere. Did Ruby really die of cancer? Is he still alive? Did Jackie Kennedy really exist, or was she just a diversion keeping us from the TRUTH!? We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 27 Oct 17 8.50pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

Well the live TV part, I'm sure, was just an accident. It was the only time Ruby had access. As to why, I have no idea.

Why did Paddock shoot up Las Vegas? It's a bit like the show "Dexter", if you're going to kill someone, make it someone who, as they say in Texas, "needs killin'".

Did this Jack Ruby character really shoot Oswald? Did he act alone? Was it all a fake and Oswald lived on a fat pension somewhere. Did Ruby really die of cancer? Is he still alive? Did Jackie Kennedy really exist, or was she just a diversion keeping us from the TRUTH!?

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Stirlingsays 27 Oct 17 8.54pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Did this Jack Ruby character really shoot Oswald? Did he act alone? Was it all a fake and Oswald lived on a fat pension somewhere. Did Ruby really die of cancer? Is he still alive? Did Jackie Kennedy really exist, or was she just a diversion keeping us from the TRUTH!? Tune in for next week's episode of....SoaP. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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27 Oct 17 8.54pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Tune in for next week's episode of....SoaP.

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Hrolf The Ganger 27 Oct 17 9.34pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston Well the live TV part, I'm sure, was just an accident. It was the only time Ruby had access. As to why, I have no idea. Why did Paddock shoot up Las Vegas? It's a bit like the show "Dexter", if you're going to kill someone, make it someone who, as they say in Texas, "needs killin'". So a guy with mob connections just decides to kill Oswald and you don't have a problem with that? And I suppose you don't have a problem with the fact that the cops knew what cinema Oswald was hiding in.
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston

Well the live TV part, I'm sure, was just an accident. It was the only time Ruby had access. As to why, I have no idea.

Why did Paddock shoot up Las Vegas? It's a bit like the show "Dexter", if you're going to kill someone, make it someone who, as they say in Texas, "needs killin'".

So a guy with mob connections just decides to kill Oswald and you don't have a problem with that?

And I suppose you don't have a problem with the fact that the cops knew what cinema Oswald was hiding in.

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Hrolf The Ganger 27 Oct 17 9.39pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I do, as there isn't any evidence he acted any other way, only conjecture, until we know otherwise. By all accounts he was a frustrated bitter man who considered himself a failure and wanted to make an impact. So he took an opportunity once it came. Several assassinations have happened like that. Turn a different corner and they would never have met....As George once said. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Oct 2017 8.12pm) And of course, another lone nutter killed Bobby Kennedy and there was no connection to his brother's assassination or anything strange about the fact that he couldn't even remember doing it or the fact that a recording of the shooting had more gunshots on the audio than bullets in his gun. All perfectly explainable. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (27 Oct 2017 9.39pm)
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27 Oct 17 9.39pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I do, as there isn't any evidence he acted any other way, only conjecture, until we know otherwise.

By all accounts he was a frustrated bitter man who considered himself a failure and wanted to make an impact. So he took an opportunity once it came. Several assassinations have happened like that.

Turn a different corner and they would never have met....As George once said.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Oct 2017 8.12pm)

And of course, another lone nutter killed Bobby Kennedy and there was no connection to his brother's assassination or anything strange about the fact that he couldn't even remember doing it or the fact that a recording of the shooting had more gunshots on the audio than bullets in his gun.

All perfectly explainable.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (27 Oct 2017 9.39pm)

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hedgehog50 Croydon 27 Oct 17 10.07pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger And of course, another lone nutter killed Bobby Kennedy and there was no connection to his brother's assassination or anything strange about the fact that he couldn't even remember doing it or the fact that a recording of the shooting had more gunshots on the audio than bullets in his gun. All perfectly explainable. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (27 Oct 2017 9.39pm) Have you turned into .TUX.? We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 27 Oct 17 10.07pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

All perfectly explainable.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (27 Oct 2017 9.39pm)

Have you turned into .TUX.?

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.TUX. 27 Oct 17 10.23pm
Originally posted by .TUX. My fault, i meant to add as an ''enlightened'' conspiracy theorist when he addressed the press at the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel on April 27, 1961............. ''For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.'' (Eisenhower made a similar speech earlier that year). Personally i believe that JFK was murdered due to his stance against the privately owned Federal Reserve. On June 4, 1963, a little known attempt was made to strip the (privately owned) Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the government at interest. On that day, President John F. Kennedy signed Executive Order No. 11110 that returned to the U.S. government the power to issue currency, without going through the Federal Reserve. Those who run the world, ie the Central Banking system that we've forced upon us, don't like that. Not one response to the words of a former President of the most powerful nation on earth who i guess knows more about the world than the majority here on HOL? Kinda says it all. Edit.......A bit late (It's Friday night ffs). Edited by .TUX. (27 Oct 2017 10.31pm) Buy Litecoin.
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27 Oct 17 10.23pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

My fault, i meant to add as an ''enlightened'' conspiracy theorist when he addressed the press at the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel on April 27, 1961.............

''For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.''
(Eisenhower made a similar speech earlier that year).

Personally i believe that JFK was murdered due to his stance against the privately owned Federal Reserve.
On June 4, 1963, a little known attempt was made to strip the (privately owned) Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the government at interest. On that day, President John F. Kennedy signed Executive Order No. 11110 that returned to the U.S. government the power to issue currency, without going through the Federal Reserve.

Those who run the world, ie the Central Banking system that we've forced upon us, don't like that.

Not one response to the words of a former President of the most powerful nation on earth who i guess knows more about the world than the majority here on HOL?

Kinda says it all.

Edit.......A bit late (It's Friday night ffs).

Edited by .TUX. (27 Oct 2017 10.31pm)

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Stirlingsays 28 Oct 17 1.46am
Originally posted by .TUX. Not one response to the words of a former President of the most powerful nation on earth who i guess knows more about the world than the majority here on HOL? Kinda says it all. Edit.......A bit late (It's Friday night ffs). Edited by .TUX. (27 Oct 2017 10.31pm) Just after the failed Bay of Pigs episode. A time when the US and the USSR were engaged in a cold war and the fight between two systems was still in the balance. You are projecting your ideas onto a time frame that was very different. It was certainly true that Kennedy was engaged in using his White House authority to sometimes disagree with and battle the military and intelligence establishment. He was also engaged with the battle that all presidents fight with the press to control how news is presented. Putting this forward as anything like proof that he was murdered by them....well...this was over fifty years ago....we live in the age of wikileaks.....we would know by now. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Oct 2017 1.47am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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28 Oct 17 1.46am

Originally posted by .TUX.

Not one response to the words of a former President of the most powerful nation on earth who i guess knows more about the world than the majority here on HOL?

Kinda says it all.

Edit.......A bit late (It's Friday night ffs).

Edited by .TUX. (27 Oct 2017 10.31pm)

Just after the failed Bay of Pigs episode. A time when the US and the USSR were engaged in a cold war and the fight between two systems was still in the balance.

You are projecting your ideas onto a time frame that was very different.

It was certainly true that Kennedy was engaged in using his White House authority to sometimes disagree with and battle the military and intelligence establishment. He was also engaged with the battle that all presidents fight with the press to control how news is presented.

Putting this forward as anything like proof that he was murdered by them....well...this was over fifty years ago....we live in the age of wikileaks.....we would know by now.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Oct 2017 1.47am)

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Stirlingsays 28 Oct 17 3.16am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger And of course, another lone nutter killed Bobby Kennedy and there was no connection to his brother's assassination or anything strange about the fact that he couldn't even remember doing it or the fact that a recording of the shooting had more gunshots on the audio than bullets in his gun. All perfectly explainable. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (27 Oct 2017 9.39pm) I've read people claiming this. I've also read people saying its nonsense. I listened to the audio and only heard five maybe six shots. How many shots do you hear? As for what a murderer says about what he remembers. They have a credibility issue...don't you think? I'm open to evidence that proves different. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Oct 2017 3.36am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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28 Oct 17 3.16am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

All perfectly explainable.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (27 Oct 2017 9.39pm)

I've read people claiming this. I've also read people saying its nonsense. I listened to the audio and only heard five maybe six shots.

How many shots do you hear?

As for what a murderer says about what he remembers. They have a credibility issue...don't you think?

I'm open to evidence that proves different.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Oct 2017 3.36am)

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.TUX. 28 Oct 17 9.10am
''The Government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency and credits needed to satisfy the spending power of the Government and the buying power of consumers. By the adoption of these principles, the taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest. Money will cease to be master and become the servant of humanity'' - Abraham Lincoln Lincoln was assassinated. Kennedy had the same idea, he was assassinated. ''The death of Lincoln was a disaster for Christendom. There was no man in the United States great enough to wear his boots and the bankers went anew to grab the riches. I fear that foreign bankers with their craftiness and tortuous tricks will entirely control the exuberant riches of America and use it to systematically corrupt civilization.'' Otto von Bismark (1815-1898 ), German Chancellor, after the Lincoln assassination. Prophetic words from Bismark. Edited by .TUX. (28 Oct 2017 9.10am) Buy Litecoin.
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28 Oct 17 9.10am

''The Government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency and credits needed to satisfy the spending power of the Government and the buying power of consumers. By the adoption of these principles, the taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest. Money will cease to be master and become the servant of humanity'' - Abraham Lincoln

Lincoln was assassinated. Kennedy had the same idea, he was assassinated.

''The death of Lincoln was a disaster for Christendom. There was no man in the United States great enough to wear his boots and the bankers went anew to grab the riches. I fear that foreign bankers with their craftiness and tortuous tricks will entirely control the exuberant riches of America and use it to systematically corrupt civilization.'' Otto von Bismark (1815-1898 ), German Chancellor, after the Lincoln assassination.

Prophetic words from Bismark.

Edited by .TUX. (28 Oct 2017 9.10am)

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Hrolf The Ganger 28 Oct 17 9.51am
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Have you turned into .TUX.? I keep an open mind about everything but anyone accepting that the Kennedy assassinations were by lone nutters will believe anything.
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Hrolf The Ganger

28 Oct 17 9.51am

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Have you turned into .TUX.?

I keep an open mind about everything but anyone accepting that the Kennedy assassinations were by lone nutters will believe anything.

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Hrolf The Ganger 28 Oct 17 9.55am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I've read people claiming this. I've also read people saying its nonsense. I listened to the audio and only heard five maybe six shots. How many shots do you hear? As for what a murderer says about what he remembers. They have a credibility issue...don't you think? I'm open to evidence that proves different. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Oct 2017 3.36am) What would you expect? What evidence would be sufficient for you if it was denied by those wishing to hide it?
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28 Oct 17 9.55am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I've read people claiming this. I've also read people saying its nonsense. I listened to the audio and only heard five maybe six shots.

How many shots do you hear?

As for what a murderer says about what he remembers. They have a credibility issue...don't you think?

I'm open to evidence that proves different.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Oct 2017 3.36am)

What would you expect?

What evidence would be sufficient for you if it was denied by those wishing to hide it?

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