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YT Oxford 08 May 23 9.32am
Originally posted by Willo Making a general observation, the boundaries of what is considered 'Racist' are elasticated, being stretched on a regular basis.I suspect we will reach the stage whereby stating that one is not partial to 'Irish stew' will enter the 'Racist' category. I am sure outside of HOL, over some liquid refreshments I could elaborate and expand on my views ! For avoidance of doubt, I have been accused, on more than one occasion, of being a "Fusty old fuddy-duddy", living in the dark ages with an outmoded view of life.Several other accusations have also been hurled in my direction ! I therefore look forward to a police officer apprehending such an offender with the words, "IRISH STEW in the name of the law". Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Oxford 08 May 23 9.32am

Originally posted by Willo

Making a general observation, the boundaries of what is considered 'Racist' are elasticated, being stretched on a regular basis.I suspect we will reach the stage whereby stating that one is not partial to 'Irish stew' will enter the 'Racist' category.

I am sure outside of HOL, over some liquid refreshments I could elaborate and expand on my views !
For avoidance of doubt, I have been accused, on more than one occasion, of being a "Fusty old fuddy-duddy", living in the dark ages with an outmoded view of life.Several other accusations have also been hurled in my direction !

I therefore look forward to a police officer apprehending such an offender with the words, "IRISH STEW in the name of the law".

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

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silvertop Portishead 08 May 23 9.32am
Originally posted by YT Presumably not. How close is a paramedic to the average seat in a massive football stadium, in your football-attending experience? If you got grit in your eyes, would you try to remove it yourself or would you seek out a paramedic to provide you with an eyewash? Have you ever been to a criminal court, where a defendant - or more likely their brief, with the defendant remaining silent - will spin every cock-and-bull yarn to sow doubt in the minds of the jury members? Kind of how it works
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Portishead 08 May 23 9.32am

Originally posted by YT

Presumably not. How close is a paramedic to the average seat in a massive football stadium, in your football-attending experience? If you got grit in your eyes, would you try to remove it yourself or would you seek out a paramedic to provide you with an eyewash?

Have you ever been to a criminal court, where a defendant - or more likely their brief, with the defendant remaining silent - will spin every cock-and-bull yarn to sow doubt in the minds of the jury members?

Kind of how it works

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Stirlingsays 08 May 23 9.34am
Originally posted by silvertop Quite. Not left. You want to go up North to the most far left 1960s Union types. Those blokes still chuck bananas at black players (or would if they could) (And voted Leave to a man) Edited by silvertop (08 May 2023 9.30am) My uncle voted Labour up till the last election all while complaining about immigration, censorship and anything even remotely PC for decades....he just hated and still hates the Tories. Tribe is strong. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 May 2023 9.34am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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08 May 23 9.34am

Originally posted by silvertop

Quite. Not left. You want to go up North to the most far left 1960s Union types. Those blokes still chuck bananas at black players (or would if they could)

(And voted Leave to a man)

Edited by silvertop (08 May 2023 9.30am)

My uncle voted Labour up till the last election all while complaining about immigration, censorship and anything even remotely PC for decades....he just hated and still hates the Tories.

Tribe is strong.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 May 2023 9.34am)

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Slimey Toad Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 08 May 23 9.37am
Originally posted by YT I haven't been to Spurs for a long time, but do the stewards there look badly at the Spurs fans when they carry out their anti-Semitic chanting? Or has that chanting now stopped? Not giving an opinon whether it should or should not be allowed, but I know a lot of Spurs fans who say it is nothing to do with anti-semitism but rather reclaiming a word in the same way South Central LA rappers use the 'n' word. Back to on-topic I agree with those who say what a wonderful player Son is. Out of all the superstars in the EPL during the last five or so years I would pick him for our team above any other.
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Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 08 May 23 9.37am

Originally posted by YT

I haven't been to Spurs for a long time, but do the stewards there look badly at the Spurs fans when they carry out their anti-Semitic chanting? Or has that chanting now stopped?

Not giving an opinon whether it should or should not be allowed, but I know a lot of Spurs fans who say it is nothing to do with anti-semitism but rather reclaiming a word in the same way South Central LA rappers use the 'n' word.

Back to on-topic I agree with those who say what a wonderful player Son is. Out of all the superstars in the EPL during the last five or so years I would pick him for our team above any other.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 08 May 23 9.38am
Originally posted by YT I therefore look forward to a police officer apprehending such an offender with the words, "IRISH STEW in the name of the law".
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South coast - west of Brighton. 08 May 23 9.38am

Originally posted by YT

I therefore look forward to a police officer apprehending such an offender with the words, "IRISH STEW in the name of the law".

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Midlands Eagle 08 May 23 9.38am
Originally posted by YT I haven't been to Spurs for a long time, but do the stewards there look badly at the Spurs fans when they carry out their anti-Semitic chanting? Don't the stupid Spurs fans realise that their club is owned by Jews?
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08 May 23 9.38am

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Originally posted by YT

I haven't been to Spurs for a long time, but do the stewards there look badly at the Spurs fans when they carry out their anti-Semitic chanting?

Don't the stupid Spurs fans realise that their club is owned by Jews?

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Stirlingsays 08 May 23 9.39am
Originally posted by Willo Making a general observation, the boundaries of what is considered 'Racist' are elasticated, being stretched on a regular basis.I suspect we will reach the stage whereby stating that one is not partial to 'Irish stew' will enter the 'Racist' category. I am sure outside of HOL, over some liquid refreshments I could elaborate and expand on my views ! For avoidance of doubt, I have been accused, on more than one occasion, of being a "Fusty old fuddy-duddy", living in the dark ages with an outmoded view of life.Several other accusations have also been hurled in my direction ! My response has always been that I abhor some of this 'Modern' thinking and ideology and that at my age, thankfully, I will not have to endure this hogwash for too many years ! Edited by Willo (08 May 2023 9.31am) The problem is this is the establishment now and clearly what the elites want. Other than bowing to their donors I'll never quite understand why the Tories were so meek to all of this and turned against their own principles so quickly. They have been appointing non Conservatives to major roles for decades and fund NGOs and organisations that oppose their actual policies.....I'll never forgive Amber Rudd for appointing Dick of the Met. Cameron set the filter system to stop any actual Conservatives (unless they were ethnic) from MP selection......Cameron and May certainly have a lot to answer for on all this. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 May 2023 9.41am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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08 May 23 9.39am

Originally posted by Willo

Making a general observation, the boundaries of what is considered 'Racist' are elasticated, being stretched on a regular basis.I suspect we will reach the stage whereby stating that one is not partial to 'Irish stew' will enter the 'Racist' category.

My response has always been that I abhor some of this 'Modern' thinking and ideology and that at my age, thankfully, I will not have to endure this hogwash for too many years !

Edited by Willo (08 May 2023 9.31am)

The problem is this is the establishment now and clearly what the elites want.

Other than bowing to their donors I'll never quite understand why the Tories were so meek to all of this and turned against their own principles so quickly. They have been appointing non Conservatives to major roles for decades and fund NGOs and organisations that oppose their actual policies.....I'll never forgive Amber Rudd for appointing Dick of the Met.

Cameron set the filter system to stop any actual Conservatives (unless they were ethnic) from MP selection......Cameron and May certainly have a lot to answer for on all this.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 May 2023 9.41am)

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Zaha127 08 May 23 9.44am
It does highlight that in every fan base there are racist individuals. I am surprised by some of the posts even on here in the News/Politics section where I seen people say absurd stuff like Tommy Robinson is not a bad guy and how he is actually a good guy. This is from a guy who regularly breaks the law/jailed and says other groups must respect the laws of the UK.
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08 May 23 9.44am

It does highlight that in every fan base there are racist individuals. I am surprised by some of the posts even on here in the News/Politics section where I seen people say absurd stuff like Tommy Robinson is not a bad guy and how he is actually a good guy. This is from a guy who regularly breaks the law/jailed and says other groups must respect the laws of the UK.

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Stirlingsays 08 May 23 9.44am
Originally posted by Willo My response has always been that I abhor some of this 'Modern' thinking and ideology and that at my age, thankfully, I will not have to endure this hogwash for too many years ! Edited by Willo (08 May 2023 9.31am) Let's hope you're around for many more years to come Willo even if, like us, you have to endure the embarrassment of watching these current Conservatives comically representing the right. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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08 May 23 9.44am

Originally posted by Willo

My response has always been that I abhor some of this 'Modern' thinking and ideology and that at my age, thankfully, I will not have to endure this hogwash for too many years !

Edited by Willo (08 May 2023 9.31am)

Let's hope you're around for many more years to come Willo even if, like us, you have to endure the embarrassment of watching these current Conservatives comically representing the right.

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Badger11 Beckenham 08 May 23 9.52am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays The problem is this is the establishment now and clearly what the elites want. Other than bowing to their donors I'll never quite understand why the Tories were so meek to all of this and turned against their own principles so quickly. They have been appointing non Conservatives to major roles for decades and fund NGOs and organisations that oppose their actual policies.....I'll never forgive Amber Rudd for appointing Dick of the Met. Cameron set the filter system to stop any actual Conservatives (unless they were ethnic) from MP selection......Cameron and May certainly have a lot to answer for on all this. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 May 2023 9.41am) I agree on this point I know the leader of a council whose next step was MP however he was told because he was white male and middle class to forget it. This was under Cameron. My mate wasn't saying he should be a shoe in but being the CEO of a large well run council which he got plaudits from other Tories for you would think that at least qualified him for the short list. But at the time it was more important to tick the boxes for race / gender / orientation etc rather than ability. Edited by Badger11 (08 May 2023 9.53am) One more point
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Beckenham 08 May 23 9.52am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The problem is this is the establishment now and clearly what the elites want.

Cameron set the filter system to stop any actual Conservatives (unless they were ethnic) from MP selection......Cameron and May certainly have a lot to answer for on all this.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 May 2023 9.41am)

I agree on this point I know the leader of a council whose next step was MP however he was told because he was white male and middle class to forget it. This was under Cameron.

My mate wasn't saying he should be a shoe in but being the CEO of a large well run council which he got plaudits from other Tories for you would think that at least qualified him for the short list.

But at the time it was more important to tick the boxes for race / gender / orientation etc rather than ability.

Edited by Badger11 (08 May 2023 9.53am)

One more point

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 08 May 23 9.56am
Originally posted by Badger11 I agree on this point I know the leader of a council whose next step was MP however he was told because he was white male and middle class to forget it. This was under Cameron. My mate wasn't saying he should be a shoe in but being the CEO of a large well run council which he got plaudits from other Tories for you would think that at least qualified him for the short list. But at the time it was more important to tick the boxes for race / gender / orientation etc rather than ability. Edited by Badger11 (08 May 2023 9.53am) Indeed this has continued to this day. However I am a duffer in the dusk of life with out-dated views !! Edited by Willo (08 May 2023 9.58am)
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South coast - west of Brighton. 08 May 23 9.56am

Originally posted by Badger11

I agree on this point I know the leader of a council whose next step was MP however he was told because he was white male and middle class to forget it. This was under Cameron.

My mate wasn't saying he should be a shoe in but being the CEO of a large well run council which he got plaudits from other Tories for you would think that at least qualified him for the short list.

But at the time it was more important to tick the boxes for race / gender / orientation etc rather than ability.

Edited by Badger11 (08 May 2023 9.53am)

Indeed this has continued to this day.
However I am a duffer in the dusk of life with out-dated views !!

Edited by Willo (08 May 2023 9.58am)

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taylors lovechild 08 May 23 9.57am
I always find it weird these days how when something like this happens some people's first thought is not to condemn the actions but to use it as a platform to complain about how the world has gone soft. This guy is an idiot. Maybe he's not a racist but just thick or drunk (or both) but he's a middle-aged man, not a kid. Actions have consequences.
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08 May 23 9.57am

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I always find it weird these days how when something like this happens some people's first thought is not to condemn the actions but to use it as a platform to complain about how the world has gone soft. This guy is an idiot. Maybe he's not a racist but just thick or drunk (or both) but he's a middle-aged man, not a kid. Actions have consequences.

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