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 Kermit8  Hevon 22 Aug 17 12.39pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Paul Mortimer on SKY says, if she thinks the comments were racist, then they were. Here's what I think happened. Oh and 'racism' does not exist because race does not exist. That isn't 'iffy', that is scientific fact. It does in modern descriptive terminology, though that will evolve linguistically over the century when other words usurp it, as it is what is used to identify people who have physical and genetic traits in common. Ergo if race exists, even if just as a concept, then racism can exist too.
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hedgehog50  Croydon 22 Aug 17 12.40pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
It is totally ridiculous....absolutely criminal in my view. But it's the law today I believe. Race in society, reminds me a bit of the obsession to show virtue and that you aren't the 'other' and fit in with the 'right' crowd. We see it all through history. It's a flaw of human nature and you can see it in the Salem witch trials and here today. The great, late, Tom Wolfe covered this sort of stuff in his excellent book "Radical Chic & Mau-Mauing the Flak Catchers". Written in 1970 but still relevant today - just shows how long the nonsense has been going on.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 22 Aug 17 12.49pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
It does in modern descriptive terminology, though that will evolve linguistically over the century when other words usurp it, as it is what is used to identify people who have physical and genetic traits in common. Ergo if race exists, even if just as a concept, then racism can exist too. So does God and therefore God worship. That doesn't make God real or reasonable. It is a vehicle for irrationality. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (22 Aug 2017 12.49pm)
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| Kermit8 Hevon 22 Aug 17 12.50pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
So does God and therefore God worship. That doesn't make God real or reasonable. It is a vehicle for irrationality. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (22 Aug 2017 12.49pm) 100% agree. True racists and total bigots are the most irrational people on the planet.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 22 Aug 17 12.54pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
100% agree. True racists and total bigots are the most irrational people on the planet. And those who obsess about such flimsy and self-serving concepts.
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| Lyons550 Shirley 22 Aug 17 1.01pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
A long time playing England black female football player. Aluko, has made allegations against the coach Mark Sampson and the FA. But what took my eye was this snippet. Sorry for the cut n paste job: Aluko has now spoken publicly about her allegation that she was subjected to a "racist comment" by Sampson before a match against Germany in 2014 that left her "intimidated and shocked". "I found myself next to Mark Sampson and he asked me which family members were coming," she said. "I said: 'I've got family coming in from Nigeria.' And he said: 'Make sure they don't come over with Ebola.' I laughed because I was in shock. I didn't know what to say. "Now I've been part of many dressing rooms. I'm used to industrial language, used to a bit of banter, a bit of a joke - but that was about my family. "That comment could have been said to anybody. I believe it was said to me because I am of African descent and my family is coming over from Nigeria at the time." When asked if she felt it was a racist comment, Aluko said: "Yes, I believe it was and again I go back to the definition. I believe it was an unfavourable comment made to me that made me feel completely shocked and intimidated that was said to me because I'm of African descent." Sampson vehemently denies saying this. Now for me, I don't see what's racist about this at all. It doesn't fit the definition and it's stretching the whole concept to include anything negative associated with any person anywhere. Ebola was in Nigeria....What kind of madness is it that you can't relate reality....like you are meant to deny or never mention it. It's apart of the madness that I currently believe is going on and I think this system is so obviously open to abuse that.....well, there will always be that percentage who take advantage.....I for the life of me don't understand this kind of thing. Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Aug 2017 9.05pm) I would wholeheartedly agree with this...and to think she's a lawyer as well...I was cringing watching the interview Dan Rohan (despicable sports journo only interested in the sleaze). Surely she cant think she has a hope in hell with this accusation...it's bordering on Slander and could well find herself being countersued if he felt the need to do so...but I'm assuming he won't and it'll fizzle out!
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| Lyons550 Shirley 22 Aug 17 1.06pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Paul Mortimer on SKY says, if she thinks the comments were racist, then they were. Here's what I think happened. Oh and 'racism' does not exist because race does not exist. That isn't 'iffy', that is scientific fact. Agreed, there's only ONE race...the Human race...unless of course she's an alien in which case it was Racist..could it be?
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| Hrolf The Ganger 22 Aug 17 1.16pm |
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Originally posted by Lyons550
Agreed, there's only ONE race...the Human race...unless of course she's an alien in which case it was Racist..could it be? The 'human race' isn't even a 'race'. It's a species.
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| Pikester Worthing 22 Aug 17 1.30pm |
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Originally posted by Lyons550
Agreed, there's only ONE race...the Human race...unless of course she's an alien in which case it was Racist..could it be? What about the 1500 Metres?
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| Stirlingsays 22 Aug 17 1.32pm |
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Originally posted by Pikester
What about the 1500 Metres? Yeah, I suppose any competitive run can only be comprised of 'racists'. Ah words.
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| Lyons550 Shirley 22 Aug 17 2.15pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The 'human race' isn't even a 'race'. It's a species. An interesting article on the distinction [Link]
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 becky over the moon 22 Aug 17 2.57pm |
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The question is, might he not have made the same remark to a white player whose emigrant family were coming back to watch her play? So, was is 'cos she's black or was it 'cos he's s*** scared about being in fairly close contact with someone whose family are coming over from an area where this killer disease is active at the time and he has a concern for his wife and kids and family?
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