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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 19 Jun 21 11.07am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Very interesting read

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View Putitout's Profile Putitout Flag Oxford 19 Jun 21 11.31am Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Very interesting read

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Not just interesting. In part alarming, the reasons for leaving he gives, would suggest not much more than a new manager would be happening. It rather looks as if even that might not be quiet the truth as a number of the team he congratulates are rapidly running out of contract. It really does beg the question. What the hell is happening at the club.? Surely he takes a sideways swipe. You can’t won’t , give us a refreshed squad , we are off.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 19 Jun 21 11.39am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Very interesting read

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It was, and what those two did taking over from Frank de Boer was quite remarkable.

I think many of us thought we were down for sure.

 


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View Mstrobez's Profile Mstrobez Flag 19 Jun 21 12.07pm Send a Private Message to Mstrobez Add Mstrobez as a friend

Originally posted by Putitout

Not just interesting. In part alarming, the reasons for leaving he gives, would suggest not much more than a new manager would be happening. It rather looks as if even that might not be quiet the truth as a number of the team he congratulates are rapidly running out of contract. It really does beg the question. What the hell is happening at the club.? Surely he takes a sideways swipe. You can’t won’t , give us a refreshed squad , we are off.

I’m not sure you can deduce much alarm from what he said tbh unless you’re seriously reaching. Perhaps you could say he insinuated there wasn’t a budget for transfers, but all reports suggest otherwise. Other than that he seems to be saying it was merely a natural time for the club to move in a different direction.

I was a fully paid up member of the "Roy in" camp and have always been concerned he and Ray were effectively pushed out of the door. But if they’ve genuinely left of their own accord, I have no issues with it and am glad they’ve been able to do so with their heads held (somewhat) high - although I suspect they were fully aware of the disgruntlement from an increasingly vocal section of fans.

I will reassert though, Roy earned a summer of investment. And had he got it, he would’ve shut a lot of people up and made the cliches about his brand of football look like the lazy caricatures they were.

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 19 Jun 21 12.27pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

I think Lewington made an important point on management in this interview that's very true and that even transcends football.

He put forward the contention that the same voice with the same player can lose its impact over years implying it can reduce performance.

He also made the happy point that with Palace this tendency didn't happen which says something about their set up.

Tips hat on a successful tenancy.

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 19 Jun 21 1.07pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I think Lewington made an important point on management in this interview that's very true and that even transcends football.

He put forward the contention that the same voice with the same player can lose its impact over years implying it can reduce performance.

He also made the happy point that with Palace this tendency didn't happen which says something about their set up.

Tips hat on a successful tenancy.

Says a lot about Alex Ferguson's ability to motivate the class of 92 year after year. I think he did like to bring in players just to freshen it up and keep the old guard on their toes but Ray's point is well taken.

 


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View Mojo87's Profile Mojo87 Flag 19 Jun 21 1.21pm Send a Private Message to Mojo87 Add Mojo87 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I think Lewington made an important point on management in this interview that's very true and that even transcends football.

He put forward the contention that the same voice with the same player can lose its impact over years implying it can reduce performance.

He also made the happy point that with Palace this tendency didn't happen which says something about their set up.

Tips hat on a successful tenancy.

Yeah the same voice point was interesting. Either the management leaves or the players recycle.
As Palace don't have a high turnover rate in players, it made natural progression for Roy and Ray to leave.

I wonder if this is a case of the psychology of motivation i.e. After a while players stop believing in the manager's hype or methods and so can't find the extra gear in performance any more.
Could be slightly different at the top teams that win trophies more often than not, as the carrot is always there as an extra dimension to motivate.

Makes you wonder about Sean Dyche though as he's been at Burnley for donkey years!

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 19 Jun 21 1.38pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Mojo87

Yeah the same voice point was interesting. Either the management leaves or the players recycle.
As Palace don't have a high turnover rate in players, it made natural progression for Roy and Ray to leave.

I wonder if this is a case of the psychology of motivation i.e. After a while players stop believing in the manager's hype or methods and so can't find the extra gear in performance any more.
Could be slightly different at the top teams that win trophies more often than not, as the carrot is always there as an extra dimension to motivate.

Makes you wonder about Sean Dyche though as he's been at Burnley for donkey years!

He has been at Burnley since October 2012 but there has been a fair turnover of players in that time.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 19 Jun 21 2.03pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Mojo87

Yeah the same voice point was interesting. Either the management leaves or the players recycle.
As Palace don't have a high turnover rate in players, it made natural progression for Roy and Ray to leave.

I wonder if this is a case of the psychology of motivation i.e. After a while players stop believing in the manager's hype or methods and so can't find the extra gear in performance any more.
Could be slightly different at the top teams that win trophies more often than not, as the carrot is always there as an extra dimension to motivate.

Makes you wonder about Sean Dyche though as he's been at Burnley for donkey years!

It's probably something that's mostly true but which differs in extent depending upon the quality of team leaders in both the staff and the playing squad.

And like you say motivators like high teamsheet competition must play its role....which would be more true at bigger clubs.

Sean Dyche comes across as a Hodgeson type manager who is very good at getting the most out of good/average players and maybe he keeps the turnover going.

Perhaps like Hodgeson he would find his abilities less useful when it came to dealing with the top players who are already there, and where attack tactics are more required and expected.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Jun 2021 2.06pm)

 


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View Palace Old Geezer's Profile Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 19 Jun 21 2.43pm Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

It was a very good feature. Ray is an excellent, talented and very experienced coach.

He gave an insightful explanation of what the job entails and the reasons for leaving it behind.

Thanks, Ray, for your contribution to the Palace story.

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 19 Jun 21 3.31pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

It was a very good feature. Ray is an excellent, talented and very experienced coach.

He gave an insightful explanation of what the job entails and the reasons for leaving it behind.

Thanks, Ray, for your contribution to the Palace story.

I second these comments.


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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 19 Jun 21 3.40pm Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Ray is a proper Football Man.

It's good to see people acknowledging the work he has done alongside Roy.

 


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