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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 01 Mar 23 6.08am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

So trump was correct again! It was the china virus, well well wadya know, that and Germanys reliance on Russian oil. Just two amongst many.

Edited by cryrst (01 Mar 2023 6.01am)

Indeed.

However, we disagree on policy towards Russia....that's more a US state department thing that's independent of who's in charge, Trump or Biden.

Though notably Trump has promised to rid the state department of its neo cons if elected again.....maybe this time he'll actually do it.

The US has purely selfish motives for not wanting Germany and Russia to become closer....cheap energy being a significant one. People should note who economically benefits from that pipeline being blown (US/Norway).

When our energy bills rise significantly in April some will reflect on that.

A European power block that isn't dependent upon it and reliant upon its bases is another. In this Trump and the state department were at loggerheads as Trump actually thinks a militarily strong Europe is a good thing while the state department didn't.....I think the balance on that has changed now out of necessity.

Trump has definitely been proven right on that....though as expected you won't hear a peep out of the mainstream left to acknowledge it.

But that's only because it opposes their rival power block....one they have helped create themselves in BRICs.

Never let anyone tell you that stupidity doesn't reign amongst the ruling elites. It's usually little more than self interest supported by educated words but little longer term wisdom....I sometimes feel like their are little better than gamblers....indeed stupidity is more likely to be rewarded.


Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Mar 2023 7.08am)

 


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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 01 Mar 23 8.18am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Hancock on the back foot again over his take on Chris Whitty advice.
Whitty wanted tested of everyone going into care homes. Hancock only had those tested coming from hospital.
[Link]
"It is outrageous that this distorted account of the pandemic is being pushed with partial leaks, spun to fit an anti-lockdown agenda, which would have cost hundreds of thousands of lives if followed. What the messages do show is a lot of people working hard to save lives." (spokesperson for Hancock, BBC website)

Hancock himself, apart from ignoring expert advice, was out breaking Covid rules and shagging his secretary on public-funded expenses.


* EDIT: 17,000 people died from Covid in care homes up to the point where testing was fully implemented.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (01 Mar 2023 8.20am)

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 01 Mar 23 9.16am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) on Twitter:
— 'FBI Director Wray confirmed that the Bureau has assessed that the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic likely originated from a lab incident in Wuhan, China.'

So it turns out that all those Youtube vloggers supposedly filming in their basements were right and all those mainstream media outlets with legal editors and lawyers were wrong.

Who could have predicted that....eh.

Let it not be forgotten the persecution that these people suffered, the ridicule that these people were given. They were the ones saying the truth and those with power, supported by their lackeys and 'go alongs' were nodding along to lies.

Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Mar 2023 4.43am)

You are, at least, predictable!

Since when did 2+2=10?

That the origins of the Covid 19 pandemic were in a lab incident in Wuhan was always a reasonable possibility. Even a casual observer could have worked that out.

That was never the issue. The issue was stating it as a fact, and not a possibility. What was worse was vloggers going further and suggesting that releasing it was a deliberate act. When other causes existed, and still exist because China hasn't confirmed anything, speculation remains unwise. Being likely isn't confirmation. It's a working hypothesis.

Trump wasn't right. He picked up the possibility and politicised it to suit his own agenda. That was irresponsible. He foresaw the effect the pandemic would have on his Presidency and wanted to shift the blame.

It was, and remains, entirely appropriate that those spreading speculation to support an agenda were taken to task. Not because they might have been right, but because when nobody was sure, caution was required.

A similar thing is happening today with the release of some Matt Hancock messages on testing in care homes. This is Brexit level misinformation being spread around to support an agenda.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 01 Mar 23 9.31am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Hancock on the back foot again over his take on Chris Whitty advice.
Whitty wanted tested of everyone going into care homes. Hancock only had those tested coming from hospital.
[Link]
"It is outrageous that this distorted account of the pandemic is being pushed with partial leaks, spun to fit an anti-lockdown agenda, which would have cost hundreds of thousands of lives if followed. What the messages do show is a lot of people working hard to save lives." (spokesperson for Hancock, BBC website)

Hancock himself, apart from ignoring expert advice, was out breaking Covid rules and shagging his secretary on public-funded expenses.


* EDIT: 17,000 people died from Covid in care homes up to the point where testing was fully implemented.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (01 Mar 2023 8.20am)

I anticipate that what was the reality at the time was that there wasn't then the testing capacity to test everyone going into care homes, so a priority group had to be determined.

Everybody involved would have known that and therefore these messages are likely all about how to present this, without causing too much alarm. So they are being taken out of context and spun to match an anti-lockdown agenda.

No doubt the coming days will reveal whether I am right.

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 01 Mar 23 9.44am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You are, at least, predictable!

Since when did 2+2=10?

That the origins of the Covid 19 pandemic were in a lab incident in Wuhan was always a reasonable possibility. Even a casual observer could have worked that out.

That was never the issue. The issue was stating it as a fact, and not a possibility. What was worse was vloggers going further and suggesting that releasing it was a deliberate act. When other causes existed, and still exist because China hasn't confirmed anything, speculation remains unwise. Being likely isn't confirmation. It's a working hypothesis.

Trump wasn't right. He picked up the possibility and politicised it to suit his own agenda. That was irresponsible. He foresaw the effect the pandemic would have on his Presidency and wanted to shift the blame.

It was, and remains, entirely appropriate that those spreading speculation to support an agenda were taken to task. Not because they might have been right, but because when nobody was sure, caution was required.

A similar thing is happening today with the release of some Matt Hancock messages on testing in care homes. This is Brexit level misinformation being spread around to support an agenda.

You really have got it over trump haven’t you. Do you itch a lot

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 01 Mar 23 9.57am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

You really have got it over trump haven’t you. Do you itch a lot

Got it?

What a strange idea!

Trump was, by a country mile, the worst POTUS in my lifetime. Unsuited in every way for any kind of high office, let alone the de facto leader of the western world.

That he managed to become POTUS is what "gets me".

 


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Freedom of Information breaking in Ireland: over 40% of deaths were COVID contracted in Healthcare settings. Years Long, gravy train, enquiry pending.

 


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Yup everything we "Conspiracy theorists" said has come true. The latest is the lab leak comming from the lab in china which is funded by none other than the zero covid zealots lord and master fauci.

 

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Originally posted by ASCPFC

Freedom of Information breaking in Ireland: over 40% of deaths were COVID contracted in Healthcare settings. Years Long, gravy train, enquiry pending.

also.... [Link]

 

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Enquiry ,..bluster fudge.

reminds me of a word,..what was it. ? filibustering

Not in the dictionary sense , but Enquiries are often used to prolong / delay any outcomes, and by the time it's made public, those accountable are long gone, and the momentum to see justice is often dissipated.

We , the public, and the NHS were let down massively by Johnson and his cronies. He's off into the distance with a massive amount of wonga. No cost of living crisis for him,...ever.

 


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Johnson and Trump had the right idea at the start! Heard immunity carry on as normal! I guess his hands were tied by the WEF lot and those with money.

 

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Originally posted by eaglesdare

Johnson and Trump had the right idea at the start! Heard immunity carry on as normal! I guess his hands were tied by the WEF lot and those with money.

So the fact that Johnson admitted that was b****x after he got it and ended up in hospital and almost died is forgotten then. Just his initial 'billy big b****x' comment.

Herd immunity does not always work. Polio, TB, German measles, mumps to name just a few.

What about Ebola? We going to go with that narrative if that makes it over here?

 

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