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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 24 Nov 23 8.32am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Isn't that proportional representation like you've been recommending as a better system?

It is. There does though seem to be a very large number of parties involved which must make the subsequent negotiations and compromises very difficult.

Whether that means that introducing thresholds to make that process easier and quicker is justified is a reasonable question.

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 24 Nov 23 8.53am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by BrentisBack

The fascists have really shown themselves up on this topic. Deary me, what a mess they have got themselves into.

How so ? Is it the fact that illegal immigration and the want for it to be sorted out is a top priority for a lot of ‘normal’ people? If that is your marker to being a fascist then your bar is very low indeed.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 24 Nov 23 4.37pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by BrentisBack

The fascists have really shown themselves up on this topic. Deary me, what a mess they have got themselves into.

Good old Nick.

The debate has moved on to the realities of far too much immigration, but he is still talking about 'fascists'.

Power to the people!!!!

 

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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 24 Nov 23 6.34pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Wilders’ party did not win a majority! They topped the polls. Very different. I hope the government that forms does listen to the will of the people. Most don’t want Wilders.

Most don't want whoever tops the polls in just about every election everywhere. The "will of the people", as you put it, will produce a leader that most don't want either.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 24 Nov 23 8.38pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by YT

Most don't want whoever tops the polls in just about every election everywhere. The "will of the people", as you put it, will produce a leader that most don't want either.

Is true but at least with PR compromises have to be negotiated so that some form of consensus can be found before a government is formed. That avoids big swings in policy.

Not so with first past the post. Extreme elements within a party can take control and once in power affect major changes. Which have to be undone once they get replaced, as they always do eventually. This has hampered our progress throughout my lifetime. We would never had suffered Brexit under PR.

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 24 Nov 23 8.43pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Is true but at least with PR compromises have to be negotiated so that some form of consensus can be found before a government is formed. That avoids big swings in policy.

Not so with first past the post. Extreme elements within a party can take control and once in power affect major changes. Which have to be undone once they get replaced, as they always do eventually. This has hampered our progress throughout my lifetime. We would never had suffered Brexit under PR.

You just can’t resist can you wissie

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 24 Nov 23 8.45pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Is true but at least with PR compromises have to be negotiated so that some form of consensus can be found before a government is formed. That avoids big swings in policy.

Not so with first past the post. Extreme elements within a party can take control and once in power affect major changes. Which have to be undone once they get replaced, as they always do eventually. This has hampered our progress throughout my lifetime. We would never had suffered Brexit under PR.

More voted for than against Brexit. PR in action.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 24 Nov 23 8.53pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

We would have never joined the EU in the first place under PR either.....or the common market or whatever it was called back then.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Nov 2023 8.53pm)

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 24 Nov 23 9.12pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

We would have never joined the EU in the first place under PR either.....or the common market or whatever it was called back then.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Nov 2023 8.53pm)

You clearly don’t understand the Cornwall concept of one way Stirling. Stop putting facts in the way of his fiction

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 24 Nov 23 9.14pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

PR seems to prevent communists, fascists whatever gaining control through the back door.

Sweden, Italy recent right gains are hardly any different in practice, we are not talking nazis etc.

As for immigration, the right, as in the UK, is a spectacular failure.

'Plus ca change'.



 

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Originally posted by cryrst

You clearly don’t understand the Cornwall concept of one way Stirling. Stop putting facts in the way of his fiction

At least he's showing his handler that he's trying.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 24 Nov 23 10.18pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

You just can’t resist can you wissie

No one ought to ever forget the most heinous act of damage suffered in our country in our lifetime, inflicted on us by con artists and weak-kneed politicians.

After the Covid enquiry ends we need another to look into Brexit. It would be just as revealing and valuable.

 


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