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HKOwen Hong Kong 19 Jul 23 8.10am
in post Brexit UK Must be fake news surely Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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HKOwen

Hong Kong 19 Jul 23 8.10am

in post Brexit UK

Must be fake news surely

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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YT Oxford 19 Jul 23 8.45am
Bloody foreigners. Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Oxford 19 Jul 23 8.45am

Bloody foreigners.

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Jul 23 9.42am
Before anyone starts trumpeting this as a major achievement of Brexit perhaps an examination of some facts are necessary. The need to build a battery factory of this type in the UK has been the subject of intense debate in past months following the failure of Britishvolt. It will be very heavily subsidised and has only come here, and not Spain, because of that. That’s not to undermine its importance but whether it actually produces wealth for us is something that only a future analysis can determine. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (19 Jul 2023 9.43am) For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 19 Jul 23 9.42am

Before anyone starts trumpeting this as a major achievement of Brexit perhaps an examination of some facts are necessary.

The need to build a battery factory of this type in the UK has been the subject of intense debate in past months following the failure of Britishvolt.

It will be very heavily subsidised and has only come here, and not Spain, because of that.

That’s not to undermine its importance but whether it actually produces wealth for us is something that only a future analysis can determine.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (19 Jul 2023 9.43am)

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Badger11 Beckenham 19 Jul 23 9.51am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Before anyone starts trumpeting this as a major achievement of Brexit perhaps an examination of some facts are necessary. The need to build a battery factory of this type in the UK has been the subject of intense debate in past months following the failure of Britishvolt. It will be very heavily subsidised and has only come here, and not Spain, because of that. That’s not to undermine its importance but whether it actually produces wealth for us is something that only a future analysis can determine. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (19 Jul 2023 9.43am) The reason that company failed was they did not have any car customers tied into a deal. TATA will succeed or fail for the same reason, unless they have a long term deal with a mass car maker they will fail. I don't think making batteries for Jaguar will be enough as the volume will be too low. I don't see this as a Brexit win or loss it's just business and I am always worried when government gets involved to this extent, think British Leyland. Edited by Badger11 (19 Jul 2023 9.53am) One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 19 Jul 23 9.51am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Before anyone starts trumpeting this as a major achievement of Brexit perhaps an examination of some facts are necessary.

The need to build a battery factory of this type in the UK has been the subject of intense debate in past months following the failure of Britishvolt.

It will be very heavily subsidised and has only come here, and not Spain, because of that.

That’s not to undermine its importance but whether it actually produces wealth for us is something that only a future analysis can determine.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (19 Jul 2023 9.43am)

The reason that company failed was they did not have any car customers tied into a deal.

TATA will succeed or fail for the same reason, unless they have a long term deal with a mass car maker they will fail. I don't think making batteries for Jaguar will be enough as the volume will be too low.

I don't see this as a Brexit win or loss it's just business and I am always worried when government gets involved to this extent, think British Leyland.

Edited by Badger11 (19 Jul 2023 9.53am)

One more point

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steeleye20 Online Croydon 19 Jul 23 10.39am
This looks like it includes a bail-out of Tata steel the subsidies estimated at 500 millions being kept secret. Its something but car manufacturing needs much more investment, that is the post brexit major headache, there is only one other battery factory at Nissan. So it is 4000 possible jobs, not 14000 and probably not anything like 4bn from Tata more likely from us. But we'll take it, as they say.
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steeleye20 Online

Croydon 19 Jul 23 10.39am

This looks like it includes a bail-out of Tata steel the subsidies estimated at 500 millions being kept secret.

Its something but car manufacturing needs much more investment, that is the post brexit major headache, there is only one other battery factory at Nissan.

So it is 4000 possible jobs, not 14000 and probably not anything like 4bn from Tata more likely from us.

But we'll take it, as they say.

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mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 19 Jul 23 10.44am
Originally posted by Badger11 The reason that company failed was they did not have any car customers tied into a deal. TATA will succeed or fail for the same reason, unless they have a long term deal with a mass car maker they will fail. I don't think making batteries for Jaguar will be enough as the volume will be too low. I don't see this as a Brexit win or loss it's just business and I am always worried when government gets involved to this extent, think British Leyland. Edited by Badger11 (19 Jul 2023 9.53am) Source Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.
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mezzer

Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 19 Jul 23 10.44am

Originally posted by Badger11

The reason that company failed was they did not have any car customers tied into a deal.

TATA will succeed or fail for the same reason, unless they have a long term deal with a mass car maker they will fail. I don't think making batteries for Jaguar will be enough as the volume will be too low.

I don't see this as a Brexit win or loss it's just business and I am always worried when government gets involved to this extent, think British Leyland.

Edited by Badger11 (19 Jul 2023 9.53am)

Source

Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

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HKOwen Hong Kong 19 Jul 23 10.46am
Originally posted by steeleye20 This looks like it includes a bail-out of Tata steel the subsidies estimated at 500 millions being kept secret. Its something but car manufacturing needs much more investment, that is the post brexit major headache, there is only one other battery factory at Nissan. So it is 4000 possible jobs, not 14000 and probably not anything like 4bn from Tata more likely from us. But we'll take it, as they say. Do you realise the stupidity of quoting a number for a secret subsidy. Then again, probably not Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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HKOwen

Hong Kong 19 Jul 23 10.46am

Originally posted by steeleye20

This looks like it includes a bail-out of Tata steel the subsidies estimated at 500 millions being kept secret.

Its something but car manufacturing needs much more investment, that is the post brexit major headache, there is only one other battery factory at Nissan.

So it is 4000 possible jobs, not 14000 and probably not anything like 4bn from Tata more likely from us.

But we'll take it, as they say.

Do you realise the stupidity of quoting a number for a secret subsidy.

Then again, probably not

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Badger11 Beckenham 19 Jul 23 11.30am
Originally posted by mezzer Source ?? It's only my opinion. One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 19 Jul 23 11.30am

Originally posted by mezzer

Source

It's only my opinion.

One more point

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 19 Jul 23 11.43am
Electric cars are 5hlt. I hope they're making batteries for other stuff too. Otherwise it will fail. And these won't be skilled jobs. They'll be minimum wages jobs in an area, say Port Talbot, where people should be grateful Edited by Forest Hillbilly (19 Jul 2023 11.44am) "The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak
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Electric cars are 5hlt. I hope they're making batteries for other stuff too. Otherwise it will fail.
And these won't be skilled jobs. They'll be minimum wages jobs in an area, say Port Talbot, where people should be grateful

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (19 Jul 2023 11.44am)

"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak

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mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 19 Jul 23 11.57am
Originally posted by Badger11 ?? It's only my opinion. I should have spelt it Sauce to make the somewhat tame joke clear. TATA - source/sauce. Get it? I know, if you have to explain it, it's not funny. Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.
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mezzer

Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 19 Jul 23 11.57am

Originally posted by Badger11

It's only my opinion.

I should have spelt it Sauce to make the somewhat tame joke clear.

TATA - source/sauce. Get it?

I know, if you have to explain it, it's not funny.

Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

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Badger11 Beckenham 19 Jul 23 11.59am
Originally posted by mezzer I should have spelt it Sauce to make the somewhat tame joke clear. TATA - source/sauce. Get it? I know, if you have to explain it, it's not funny. Yuo okay get it now Ta ta One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 19 Jul 23 11.59am

Originally posted by mezzer

I should have spelt it Sauce to make the somewhat tame joke clear.

TATA - source/sauce. Get it?

I know, if you have to explain it, it's not funny.

Yuo okay get it now

Ta ta