Have those voting to remain on here watched this? It's quite important to get the other side of the argument.

Here's something fundamental nobody has yet addressed to my satisfaction:

Cameron et al all continue to refer to it as "remaining in a reformed EU". Could somebody (from either camp) kindly explain what theses reforms are and how they will be achieved, because from what I can see, when Dave went to renegotiate, wielding the biggest stick at our disposal (i.e. "help me convince my people to stay in" he seems to have been told in no uncertain terms to do one (may be unfair, I think he has a promise of use of the comfy chair in EU meetings, and chocolate Hobnobs as the biscuit of choice).

For all those saying "we don't know what it will be like if we leave" I say "we don't actually know what it will be like if we stay - though I suspect it will be exactly as it is now with no reform of note, and no successful audit".

Just for clarity, I'm still on the fence. I do see many benefits in being a member of a large European trade block, but I also see a lot of drawbacks with the current status quo (and as it stands, it's a sh*t organisation in many ways). The arrogance and fear-mongering of the remainers is doing my head in (I'm desperately trying not to let them sway me, because the only direction they look like moving me is towards the exit, and I want to decide based on reasonable arguments, not just because I'm fed up of hearing "if you vote out you must be a war monger, racist, or loony".

So, anybody, what reforms are going to take place, when, and how?

I think i have responded to this one before Rubin, but if we do a quick sum: the treasury says we will be 4300 worse off per household if we leave. If there are 19million households in the UK that makes £81billion a year that equates to £1.5billion per week. If i take the highest figure from the leave campaign i.e 350 million pw (and assume we get no rebates or anything back) that still leaves us £1.22 billion per week better off.
Additionally if you take the IMF assessment that our Gdp could fall by 9.5%)....and you assume that departments public expenditure remains at the same percentages, thiz means there would be a reduction of £14 billion for the NHS pa
Its a similar picture for every public service in the event of a leave vote, the NHS, education, pensions welfare etc would all be considerably poorer

As the erudite Jacob Rees-Mogg said "Thin gruel watered down".
And at the end of the day 10% of "Diddly squat" is "Diddly Squat".
And what about all this "I rule nothing out..." ?

We can dismiss all the economists, imf, BofE, OECD forecasts as 'guesses' and just stick our fingers in our ears but surely this is like Nero playing the fiddle while Rome burns. I promise you, if all of the above concluded that we would be better off in the event if brexit, i would vote to leave.
Re the debt figure. Currently its 6% of public spending. The forecasts (which is what the financial markets work around) suggest that gdp would be reduced, sterling would decline especially versus the dollar. What do you think will happen at the next treasury auction? If you have worked in the same bond markets as i have you would surely agree that a less favourable economic outlook would require higher yields .i.e what we have to pay to the bondholders for lending us money would go up. With this rising and the amount available for other public services reducing due to a reduced gdp, the % of public expenditure going to service debt would logically rise.

I honestly feel so sorry for your wife.