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Originally posted by steeleye20

Just the sort of rhetoric that could see Labour in office again........

Yeah ..true but probably not.

 


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Originally posted by elgrande

Let's have a reminder what labour has done to our country feel free to share
Please find below your success of a Labour government, measured in pain - &#128553;

1) Up to 50 thousand 'excess' deaths were recorded at hospitals during the last Labour Goverment. (Research by Sir Brian Jarman of Imperial College).
2) Hundreds of stealth taxes, paid by all.
3) Between 1997 to 2010 gas prices rose 133% and electricity prices rose 69%. Why would the public ever trust Labour on energy prices again?.
4) The devastating impact of Labour's raid on pensions: The tax grab has cost workers £118bn no since 1997. (Office for Budget Responsibility).
5) Labour spent £148.7 million on a National Measurements Office which forces traders to measure their goods in kilograms rather than pounds.
6) The Royal Mail is now sold because of EU Postal Directive 2008/6/EC, brought in by the last Labour government.
7) Council Tax doubled under Labour - 105% increase in England, 146% Wales. (The Chartered Institute of Public Finance & Accountancy: 26/03/09).
In 2012/13 Labour councils employed nearly 23,000 people on zero-hour contracts.
9) £660 million has been cut from Labour run NHS Wales over the last three years according to the Welsh TUC.
10) When Labour came to power in 1997, spending on NHS managers was less than £190m. By 2010 this had increased by 450% to over £1bn per year.
11) Labour wasted £11bn of taxpayers money on a failed IT project which was eventually scrapped by the NHS in 2013.
12) Labour lumbered the NHS with vast PFI repayments - £50 billion worth of loans which are costing £300 billion in repayments.
13) It was the Labour Party who awarded the DWP Medical Services Contract to ATOS on the 15th March 2005.
14) Labour started the privatisation of the NHS. They brought in the 2006 NHS Act that introduced competition into the NHS.
15) Labour introduced competition into the NHS: Competition Act 1998, Enterprise Act 2002 & Public Sector Procurement Regulations 2006.
16) In 2006 Gordon Brown cut the flood defence budget by £14 million.
17) Youth unemployment rose by more than 40% during Labour's 13 years in office.
1 Total stock of social housing fell under Labour - 421,000 homes were lost from the social housing stock between 1997 and 2010.
19) British manufacturing grew by 28% between 1980 and 1997. Then, under Labour, it shrank by 6%: falling from 20% of GDP to just 11%.
20) Labour left a deficit of £156 billion, PFI liability of £301 billion, EU Rebate loss £9.3 billion, Sold the Gold loss £6 billion.
21) The last Labour government spent so much money on Labour cronies that it had a 5% structural deficit at the height of the boom.
22)
The use of food banks went up tenfold under Labour. From 3,000 users in 2005/06 to over 40,000 by 2009/10. (The Trussell Trust/C4 FactCheck).
23) When Labour's Gordon Brown became Prime Minister in 2007, UK public debt was 44.1% of GDP. When he left in 2010, it was 148.1%.
24) Only 6,330 council houses were completed from 1998 to 2010 under Labour, compared with 17,710 in 1990 alone - Thatcher's final year as PM.
25) Tony Blair gave away a chunk of the UK's EU rebate estimated now to have cost the UK £9.3 billion between 2007-2013.
26) In 2010 Gordon Brown branded Rochdale voter Gillian Duffy "a bigoted woman" for daring to voice her concern about uncontrolled immigration.
27) Labour are now complaining about gambling. But they were the ones who wanted to build Super Casinos in some of the poorest areas in Britain.
2 Labour closed more mines in 5 years than Thatcher did in 11 years.. 211 mines closed under Wilson 1965-70.. 154 under Thatcher 1979-90.
29) Under Labour zero hour contracts increased by 74% between 2004 - 2009.
30) Since Labour liberalised the law in 2000 to allow postal voting on demand, the number of postal voting fraud in Labour areas has soared.
31) Labour wants to charge patients. Lord Warner said people should pay a £10-a-month fee to use NHS/£20 for every night they stay in hospital.
32) Sexed up dossiers.
33) Labour were responsible for the rise in payday lenders. Now they are campaigning against them.
34) Labour presided over the slowest growth in 50 years and produced the fastest decline in British manufacturing since manufacturing began.
35) Labour destroyed our border controls then with the help of the BBC denounced anybody who voiced concerns about mass immigration as racists.
36) Labour councils are the biggest users of zero hour contracts.
37) Under Labour between 1997 to 2010 the gap between rich and poor got wider.
3 The last Labour government doubled the rate of income tax on the lowest paid.
39) Thousands of dead Iraqi women and children.
40) Labour MPs to remember: Denis MacShane (jailed), David Chaytor (jailed), Eric Illsley (jailed), Elliot Morley (jailed), Jim Devine (jailed).
41) Blair invaded Iraq and Brown invaded the Treasury, both actions crippled us.
42) Labour opposes democracy in Britain by denying the British people a referendum on EU membership.

Mark Lewis Tibbetts

Wow. So many inaccuracies, no context and no analysis. Just saying "stealth taxes paid by all" tells us nothing, similarly so many of those points are ridiculously misleading, which makes the valid points like wheat amongst so much chaff.

Dealing with just one of them now as it's easy and at my fingertips, on the highlighted one, being kind and looking at debt as defined by the OECD (which include more in their calculation of debt than the ONS) the actual figures were 51.4% and 89.1% respectively and the GFC happened in the middle of this (context). It's now well over 110%. ONS figure for debt at end of 2010 FY was 70.3%.

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Originally posted by steeleye20

Just the sort of rhetoric that could see Labour in office again........

You want to replace one government on the basis that they are not very good and replace it with one that has a track record of being absolutely f***ing useless.

 

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Originally posted by elgrande

Let's have a reminder what labour has done to our country feel free to share
Please find below your success of a Labour government, measured in pain - &#128553;

1) Up to 50 thousand 'excess' deaths were recorded at hospitals during the last Labour Goverment. (Research by Sir Brian Jarman of Imperial College).
2) Hundreds of stealth taxes, paid by all.
3) Between 1997 to 2010 gas prices rose 133% and electricity prices rose 69%. Why would the public ever trust Labour on energy prices again?.
4) The devastating impact of Labour's raid on pensions: The tax grab has cost workers £118bn no since 1997. (Office for Budget Responsibility).
5) Labour spent £148.7 million on a National Measurements Office which forces traders to measure their goods in kilograms rather than pounds.
6) The Royal Mail is now sold because of EU Postal Directive 2008/6/EC, brought in by the last Labour government.
7) Council Tax doubled under Labour - 105% increase in England, 146% Wales. (The Chartered Institute of Public Finance & Accountancy: 26/03/09).
In 2012/13 Labour councils employed nearly 23,000 people on zero-hour contracts.
9) £660 million has been cut from Labour run NHS Wales over the last three years according to the Welsh TUC.
10) When Labour came to power in 1997, spending on NHS managers was less than £190m. By 2010 this had increased by 450% to over £1bn per year.
11) Labour wasted £11bn of taxpayers money on a failed IT project which was eventually scrapped by the NHS in 2013.
12) Labour lumbered the NHS with vast PFI repayments - £50 billion worth of loans which are costing £300 billion in repayments.
13) It was the Labour Party who awarded the DWP Medical Services Contract to ATOS on the 15th March 2005.
14) Labour started the privatisation of the NHS. They brought in the 2006 NHS Act that introduced competition into the NHS.
15) Labour introduced competition into the NHS: Competition Act 1998, Enterprise Act 2002 & Public Sector Procurement Regulations 2006.
16) In 2006 Gordon Brown cut the flood defence budget by £14 million.
17) Youth unemployment rose by more than 40% during Labour's 13 years in office.
1 Total stock of social housing fell under Labour - 421,000 homes were lost from the social housing stock between 1997 and 2010.
19) British manufacturing grew by 28% between 1980 and 1997. Then, under Labour, it shrank by 6%: falling from 20% of GDP to just 11%.
20) Labour left a deficit of £156 billion, PFI liability of £301 billion, EU Rebate loss £9.3 billion, Sold the Gold loss £6 billion.
21) The last Labour government spent so much money on Labour cronies that it had a 5% structural deficit at the height of the boom.
22)
The use of food banks went up tenfold under Labour. From 3,000 users in 2005/06 to over 40,000 by 2009/10. (The Trussell Trust/C4 FactCheck).
23) When Labour's Gordon Brown became Prime Minister in 2007, UK public debt was 44.1% of GDP. When he left in 2010, it was 148.1%.
24) Only 6,330 council houses were completed from 1998 to 2010 under Labour, compared with 17,710 in 1990 alone - Thatcher's final year as PM.
25) Tony Blair gave away a chunk of the UK's EU rebate estimated now to have cost the UK £9.3 billion between 2007-2013.
26) In 2010 Gordon Brown branded Rochdale voter Gillian Duffy "a bigoted woman" for daring to voice her concern about uncontrolled immigration.
27) Labour are now complaining about gambling. But they were the ones who wanted to build Super Casinos in some of the poorest areas in Britain.
2 Labour closed more mines in 5 years than Thatcher did in 11 years.. 211 mines closed under Wilson 1965-70.. 154 under Thatcher 1979-90.
29) Under Labour zero hour contracts increased by 74% between 2004 - 2009.
30) Since Labour liberalised the law in 2000 to allow postal voting on demand, the number of postal voting fraud in Labour areas has soared.
31) Labour wants to charge patients. Lord Warner said people should pay a £10-a-month fee to use NHS/£20 for every night they stay in hospital.
32) Sexed up dossiers.
33) Labour were responsible for the rise in payday lenders. Now they are campaigning against them.
34) Labour presided over the slowest growth in 50 years and produced the fastest decline in British manufacturing since manufacturing began.
35) Labour destroyed our border controls then with the help of the BBC denounced anybody who voiced concerns about mass immigration as racists.
36) Labour councils are the biggest users of zero hour contracts.
37) Under Labour between 1997 to 2010 the gap between rich and poor got wider.
3 The last Labour government doubled the rate of income tax on the lowest paid.
39) Thousands of dead Iraqi women and children.
40) Labour MPs to remember: Denis MacShane (jailed), David Chaytor (jailed), Eric Illsley (jailed), Elliot Morley (jailed), Jim Devine (jailed).
41) Blair invaded Iraq and Brown invaded the Treasury, both actions crippled us.
42) Labour opposes democracy in Britain by denying the British people a referendum on EU membership.

Mark Lewis Tibbetts

...is the selling of Gold in the list....?

 


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View Cucking Funt's Profile Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 02 Jun 17 3.22pm Send a Private Message to Cucking Funt Add Cucking Funt as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You want to replace one government on the basis that they are not very good and replace it with one that has a track record of being absolutely f***ing useless.

Caution. You are attempting to engage with one of the stupidest posters ever to grace these boards (and by God, there's been some stiff competition).

Edited by Cucking Funt (02 Jun 2017 3.25pm)

 


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Originally posted by Lyons550

...is the selling of Gold in the list....?

No. 20

 


Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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View Lyons550's Profile Lyons550 Flag Shirley 02 Jun 17 3.34pm Send a Private Message to Lyons550 Add Lyons550 as a friend

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

No. 20


...damn!

 


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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Wow. So many inaccuracies, no context and no analysis. Just saying "stealth taxes paid by all" tells us nothing, similarly so many of those points are ridiculously misleading, which makes the valid points like wheat amongst so much chaff.

Dealing with just one of them now as it's easy and at my fingertips, on the highlighted one, being kind and looking at debt as defined by the OECD (which include more in their calculation of debt than the ONS) the actual figures were 51.4% and 89.1% respectively and the GFC happened in the middle of this (context). It's now well over 110%. ONS figure for debt at end of 2010 FY was 70.3%.

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Quite like the first one:

Up to 50 thousand 'excess' deaths were recorded at hospitals during the last Labour Government.

Did Tony and Gordon stab them all???

Take that you bigot.

 

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View elgrande's Profile elgrande Flag bedford 02 Jun 17 3.50pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Quite like the first one:

Up to 50 thousand 'excess' deaths were recorded at hospitals during the last Labour Government.

Did Tony and Gordon stab them all???

Take that you bigot.


Who are you calling a bigot....what gives you the right to call me that.
You are a f***ing idiot who spouts so much s*** you could block a line of public toilets.
I don't mind taking the b piss or banter,but don't go to far.


 


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Originally posted by elgrande

No, Brown called some lady a 'bigot' and it got picked up.

It's in your list also.


 

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View elgrande's Profile elgrande Flag bedford 02 Jun 17 4.02pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

No, Brown called some lady a 'bigot' and it got picked up.

It's in your list also.


Yeah I know that,but you called me a bigot.

 


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View elgrande's Profile elgrande Flag bedford 02 Jun 17 4.03pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

No, Brown called some lady a 'bigot' and it got picked up.

It's in your list also.


Whatever,I can't be arsed.

 


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