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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
It would be interesting to know exactly how much he knew about the new players before we signed them. I very much doubt whether he had heard of Sunderland's reserve keeper let alone seen him in action and even Championship players probably flew under his radar so these are Dougie's signings and not his. Having said all that the two main signings do seem to be a step in the right direction and let's hope that with Vieira's connections to Arsenal and Manchester City we can prise away some more useful talent If he was serious about returning to England and managing I have no doubt he'd have done his homework and would have been aware of some if not all of the players suggested to him.
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Originally posted by est1905
If he was serious about returning to England and managing I have no doubt he'd have done his homework and would have been aware of some if not all of the players suggested to him. Barry Bannan available for 1 mil.
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Originally posted by est1905
If he was serious about returning to England and managing I have no doubt he'd have done his homework and would have been aware of some if not all of the players suggested to him. Sorry I completely disagree with you. PV would not have known if his next managerial job would be in England. And even if he was sure it would be he would not have known where. The way signing players works now is the team. And it is a team decide on a profile of player they need in the team/squad. This profile would generally be the position and type of player they require. So for an example `We would like a tall strong target man who can hold the ball up to bring others into play but is prolific in the air too. We'd like him to be below the age of 30 and costing no more than 20 million`. The profile is then given to the scouting team and they either check the database of players, use their network of contacts or even use external agencies to find fits for this profile. Those potential players who fit the profile are but to the recruitment team. The recruitment team (Dougie) would then sign off say 6 of the identified players that they think are the best options. Those players may be scouted further and maybe Dougie beginning to sound agents out about their availability. Once that is done the 6 potential targets may be whittled down a bit more to say 4. Maybe at this point the manager may be bought in to have a say as the scouting, recruitment and coaching team have another meeting to see which of those they will then prioritise to sign. If they get him great, if not then they go to the next one on the list. So given that process do you really believe PV knew the profile of player he would need for a club he didn't know he was going to? Reality is we would like to believe these are PV signings but that just is not the way its done anymore. The scouting of the players we are signing will have been done during last season. The considerations are the position, type and age of the player, but the overiding consideration is the finances of the deal (not just the transfer fee but the wage calculation over the course of his contract, his predicted future values, signing on fees and agent fees). Its not a single person signing but a team signing, with to be honest Dougie having the most influential role
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Originally posted by Mwncisee
Sorry I completely disagree with you. PV would not have known if his next managerial job would be in England. And even if he was sure it would be he would not have known where. The way signing players works now is the team. And it is a team decide on a profile of player they need in the team/squad. This profile would generally be the position and type of player they require. So for an example `We would like a tall strong target man who can hold the ball up to bring others into play but is prolific in the air too. We'd like him to be below the age of 30 and costing no more than 20 million`. The profile is then given to the scouting team and they either check the database of players, use their network of contacts or even use external agencies to find fits for this profile. Those potential players who fit the profile are but to the recruitment team. The recruitment team (Dougie) would then sign off say 6 of the identified players that they think are the best options. Those players may be scouted further and maybe Dougie beginning to sound agents out about their availability. Once that is done the 6 potential targets may be whittled down a bit more to say 4. Maybe at this point the manager may be bought in to have a say as the scouting, recruitment and coaching team have another meeting to see which of those they will then prioritise to sign. If they get him great, if not then they go to the next one on the list. So given that process do you really believe PV knew the profile of player he would need for a club he didn't know he was going to? Reality is we would like to believe these are PV signings but that just is not the way its done anymore. The scouting of the players we are signing will have been done during last season. The considerations are the position, type and age of the player, but the overiding consideration is the finances of the deal (not just the transfer fee but the wage calculation over the course of his contract, his predicted future values, signing on fees and agent fees). Its not a single person signing but a team signing, with to be honest Dougie having the most influential role
IMO, the DF (in our case) will have agreed with SP and others the general style of play they want to see and would have drawn up the criteria for each position they expected they would need to fill. The fact that Freedman had been tracking Guehi for many months points to the club wanting a CB who was comfortable on the ball and was happy to play out from the back, suggesting the club were looking for a more possession-based ball-retention style, something that has become increasingly necessary as more and more teams press higher up the pitch. The fact that PV prefers this style is more a testimony to him and the club having a meeting of minds on how to play in future rather than the club kowtowing to PV's demands and I imagine the list of players Freedman has prepared will mainly include those who have the kind of attributes PV wants. The days of managers deciding on transfers is a thing of the past in the PL because club owners are not prepared to risk their multi-million pound businesses to the whims of a football manager/coach.
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Originally posted by doombear
IMO, the DF (in our case) will have agreed with SP and others the general style of play they want to see and would have drawn up the criteria for each position they expected they would need to fill. The fact that Freedman had been tracking Guehi for many months points to the club wanting a CB who was comfortable on the ball and was happy to play out from the back, suggesting the club were looking for a more possession-based ball-retention style, something that has become increasingly necessary as more and more teams press higher up the pitch. The fact that PV prefers this style is more a testimony to him and the club having a meeting of minds on how to play in future rather than the club kowtowing to PV's demands and I imagine the list of players Freedman has prepared will mainly include those who have the kind of attributes PV wants. The days of managers deciding on transfers is a thing of the past in the PL because club owners are not prepared to risk their multi-million pound businesses to the whims of a football manager/coach. Perhaps a more conciliatory phrase would be "necessarily agreeing to PV's suggestions". I can't believe that any new manager cones in and immediately makes "demands".
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Originally posted by YT
Perhaps a more conciliatory phrase would be "necessarily agreeing to PV's suggestions". I can't believe that any new manager cones in and immediately makes "demands". Nuno started making them before signing the contract.
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In our case. Low key manager, not highly desirable and a big risk manager, of course it’s going to be the club making player decisions. PV would have a say to an extent but not a lot I imagine. Now if someone big came in, like klopp or Jose Or someone high in demand like nuno. You can bet your money on the fact they would be choosing players and all the sporting directors and scouts would be suggesting players and they literally pick and choose who they want. Where as PV would be virtually pressured to a point to except the choices and try and make of them.
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Originally posted by Pinkfluff1981
In our case. Low key manager, not highly desirable and a big risk manager, of course it’s going to be the club making player decisions. PV would have a say to an extent but not a lot I imagine. Now if someone big came in, like klopp or Jose Or someone high in demand like nuno. You can bet your money on the fact they would be choosing players and all the sporting directors and scouts would be suggesting players and they literally pick and choose who they want. Where as PV would be virtually pressured to a point to except the choices and try and make of them.
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Originally posted by doombear
Let's not compare this window with previous ones. It seems that the club wanted to tread water during the Hodgson years until the debts for Allardyce's and others' purchases were paid down and many of the expensive contracts expired. Now that's happened they are going for a new approach based around a blend of youth and experience. Rumours that we may well have £50-80m to spend may well be true; Olise was £8m and Guehi is rumoured to be £18m and I firmly believe there's more to come in this window.
Hopefully not too many more. Reckon we need 2-3 more max. Otherwise too much disruption and it'll be like watching a completely unfamiliar team. I'll have to fall in love all over again. As long as the backbone of Guiata, Tomkins, Luka, Schluppy and Benteke remain, I suppose it'll be okay.
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Originally posted by sprites
Hopefully not too many more. Reckon we need 2-3 more max. Otherwise too much disruption and it'll be like watching a completely unfamiliar team. I'll have to fall in love all over again. As long as the backbone of Guiata, Tomkins, Luka, Schluppy and Benteke remain, I suppose it'll be okay. We need an amalgam of youth and experience. Edited by Willo (19 Jul 2021 10.47pm)
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Originally posted by Willo
We need an amalgam of youth and experience. Edited by Willo (19 Jul 2021 10.47pm) Totally. Basically the goal is always two quality players for each position, right? And I don't think we're miles away from that even now. Possibly only the wing back positions and out wide. And perhaps a different type of striker to Benteke. So 3 more in would be great.
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Originally posted by Pinkfluff1981
Low key manager, not highly desirable and a big risk manager, of course it’s going to be the club making player decisions. "The club" or "The Sporting Director" as I would hate to think that it was the Chairman picking the players to sign as he's not really a football man
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