This problem seems so deep rooted that unless the community is prepared to co operate with the police there is little chance of change.

Once in a while you se a story of a mother who gave up a son to the police in order to try and get him out of the cycle as she feared he would end up dead.

The policing required to have impact would be seen as unacceptable by many and labelled as racist etc etc.

Despite the hundreds of years of evidence to the contrary.

Anyone who doesn’t sell weed and isn’t on the dole is going to be an excellent father, right? That seems a completely fool proof solution.

I dont understand the thought process that goes through these kids minds that leads them to these terrible consequences .
Until we change those young minds I dont suppose there is much that will change .
Is it education .zero tollerance policing or draconian punnishment ,maybe a bit of the three .

May she rest in peace

Your point was this.

If the welfare state didn't exist, I'm sure women might just be a bit more selective.

His counter was this.

Despite the hundreds of years of evidence to the contrary.

Is it that hard to actually read replies properly?

Then it was an even more idiotic response than I realised as there were probably still more kids stabbing each other than there were single parent families.

Well, yeah, women did have to be more selective, tho the average man was probably more responsible anyway as no one had the state to rely on. We now live in a society where men are not held accountable, and abandoning their own kids is normalised. Then you add into it victim mentality and huge levels of immigration from 3rd world countries, this is what you get

It's no secret it's a problem within the black community and black culture. In London, the majority of perpetrators and victims from knife crime are black. Its not white parents or Asian parents constantly burying their own kids, it's black parents. The black community can carry on burying their head in the sand, the problem is not going away.