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View Hansy's Profile Hansy Flag 30 Jun 17 12.58pm Send a Private Message to Hansy Add Hansy as a friend

The Queen of Europe, Angela Merkel. Just voted against legalising same sex marriages in Germany. The vote still passed which allows the same sex to marry. She said her reason was because only a man and woman should marry.

This was after voting against allowing same sex couples to adopt.

I hope those that were hurling abuse to the DUP, will also do the same to her. I doubt it though.

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View Michaelawt85's Profile Michaelawt85 Flag Bexley 30 Jun 17 1.12pm Send a Private Message to Michaelawt85 Add Michaelawt85 as a friend

I don't personally have a problem with gay marriage or same sex couples adopting.

BUT..
Surely the whole point of a democracy is she can vote however she likes. If she doesn't agree with it she doesn't agree with it. End of. She's entitled to her views. Sure plenty agree with her

 


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View Hansy's Profile Hansy Flag 30 Jun 17 1.15pm Send a Private Message to Hansy Add Hansy as a friend

The DUP probably agree with her, but people were quick to rip them off because of their views. It will be interesting to see how they think of Merkel.

The decision should be with those that want to enter a same sex marriage, not someone without any experience on the matter. A vote for yes was for change, and creates an equal community for the LGBT

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Originally posted by Hansy

The Queen of Europe, Angela Merkel. Just voted against legalising same sex marriages in Germany. The vote still passed which allows the same sex to marry. She said her reason was because only a man and woman should marry.

This was after voting against allowing same sex couples to adopt.

I hope those that were hurling abuse to the DUP, will also do the same to her. I doubt it though.

Edited by Hansy (30 Jun 2017 1.16pm)

Is this some defence of the DUP?

I disagree with her stance and find it sad that the leader of the biggest European economy has these neolithic beliefs, but am glad she allowed parliament a free vote on it, unlike the DUP's stance on pretty much all social freedoms which don't fit with their narrow minded beliefs.

Given Merkel is head of the Christian Democrats it's hardly that surprising that she is personally against marriage equality, but it's still sad. Thankfully she is also mindful of the "Democrat" aspect of her party, unlike the DUP. They should really be the Authoritarian Unionist Party.

 

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ThE DUP are of the thought that being gay is “immoral, offensive and obnoxious” (Ian Paisley jr) which is a lot different to someone saying marriage is for a man and a woman. If she is a Christian then she couldn't really vote for it but at least she hasn't said the above.

 


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View Hansy's Profile Hansy Flag 30 Jun 17 1.40pm Send a Private Message to Hansy Add Hansy as a friend

No defence for the DUP, as I think their view is wrong. But I haven't thrown abuse their way. Merkel also said marriage should be for a man and a woman. She had to put forward the vote, as the coalition party threatened to not join forces in future.

Kermit, you are taking what a Junior Minister has said, and son of the late Ian Paisley who was a priest. It is still wrong, but hardly on behalf of the DUP.

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Originally posted by Hansy

No defence for the DUP, as I think their view is wrong. But I haven't thrown abuse their way. Merkel also said marriage should be for a man and a woman.

Kermit, you are taking what a Junior Minister has said, and son of the late Ian Paisley who was a priest. It is still wrong, but hardly on behalf of the DUP.

And the rest....

1977 – MP Rev Ian Paisley launches the ‘Save Ulster from Sodomy’ campaign in an effort to retain the ban on homosexuality in Northern Ireland.

and now jump forward 25 years...

4th Nov 2002 – DUP MPs vote against an amendment to the Adoption & Children Bill to allow unmarried straight and gay couples to adopt children.


9th Nov 2004 – DUP MPs vote in favour of a wrecking motion to enable siblings to become Civil Partners under proposed legislation. They later vote against the third reading of the Civil Partnerships Bill.

18th Nov 2005 – Ballymena DUP Cllr Maurice Mills claims that gay people are to blame for Hurricane Katrina.

9th Jan 2007 – DUP’s Lord Morrow proposes a motion to defeat the Equality Act (Sexual Orientation) Regulations (Northern Ireland).

21st March 2007 – DUP MPs vote against a Government Bill to prohibit discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

21st Jan 2008 – DUP Peers vote to prevent a clause demanding the need for a ‘father’ from being removed in the Human Fertilisation & Embryology Bill. If this clause had remained then lesbian couples would have been unable to access IVF treatment.

20th May 2008 – DUP MPs vote against Government proposals to allow single mothers and lesbian couples access to IVF treatment – twice.

June 2008 – DUP MP & MLA Iris Robinson claims that homosexuality can be ‘cured’.

21st July 2008 – DUP MP & MLA Iris Robinson claims that homosexuality is ‘viler’ than child abuse in a speech to Parliament.

26th July 2011 – DUP MLA Jim Wells calls Belfast Pride ‘repugnant’.

2nd August 2012 – Lord Mayor of Belfast, the DUP Cllr Gavin Robinson, stands by his party’s opposition to gay rights at a panel debate during the Belfast Pride festival.

25th August 2012 – Magherafelt District DUP Cllr Paul McClean calls for homosexuality to be made illegal in Northern Ireland.

1st October 2012 – DUP MLAs block a motion brought forward to facilitate marriage equality in Northern Ireland.

25th October 2013 – DUP MLA Tom Buchanan tells school children attending a public event that homosexuality is an ‘abomination’.

October 2012 – DUP Health Minister Edwin Poots MLA lodges an appeal against the NI High Court Ruling overturning the ban on gay couples being allowed to adopt.

5th Feb 2013 – DUP MPs vote against the second reading of the Marriage (Same-Sex Couples) Bill and all technical motions to facilitate the passing of the Bill.

29th April 2013 – DUP MLAs block a second motion brought forward to facilitate marriage equality in Northern Ireland.


11th Oct 2013 – Despite an NI High Court ruling, DUP Health Minister Edwin Poots MLA refuses to lift the lifetime ban on gay and bisexual men donating blood.

8th December 2014 – DUP MLA Paul Givan publishes a Bill (nicknamed the Conscience Clause) designed to allow religious people an opt out from equality legislation when providing goods and services to gay couples.

23rd April 2015 – During a hustings event in South Down, DUP Health Minister Jim Wells claimed “You don’t bring a child up in a homosexual relationship. That the child is far more likely to be abused and neglected.” (This later led to his resignation as Health Minister 3 days later.)


27th April 2015 – The DUP use a Petition of Concern to block a motion calling for equal marriage in the NI Assembly.

28th April 2015 – DUP Cllr Paul McLean called for homosexuality to be made illegal.

30th April 2015 – DUP Leader and First Minister of NI claims that Cllr McLean is ‘entitled to his views’ and that if homosexuality was illegal he hopes people ‘would obey that law’.

2nd November 2015 – The NI Assembly debates equal marriage for a fifth time and the measure passes by 1 vote however the DUP again use the Petition of Concern to block it.

27th October 2016 – DUP Leader Arlene Foster says her party will continue blocking equal marriage for the next five years with the Petition of Concern.


April 21st 2017 – DUP MLA Jim Wells claims that the party will split if the leadership agrees to it during NI Executive formation talks.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 30 Jun 17 1.55pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

And the rest....

1977 – MP Rev Ian Paisley launches the ‘Save Ulster from Sodomy’ campaign in an effort to retain the ban on homosexuality in Northern Ireland.

and now jump forward 25 years...

4th Nov 2002 – DUP MPs vote against an amendment to the Adoption & Children Bill to allow unmarried straight and gay couples to adopt children.


9th Nov 2004 – DUP MPs vote in favour of a wrecking motion to enable siblings to become Civil Partners under proposed legislation. They later vote against the third reading of the Civil Partnerships Bill.

18th Nov 2005 – Ballymena DUP Cllr Maurice Mills claims that gay people are to blame for Hurricane Katrina.

9th Jan 2007 – DUP’s Lord Morrow proposes a motion to defeat the Equality Act (Sexual Orientation) Regulations (Northern Ireland).

21st March 2007 – DUP MPs vote against a Government Bill to prohibit discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

21st Jan 2008 – DUP Peers vote to prevent a clause demanding the need for a ‘father’ from being removed in the Human Fertilisation & Embryology Bill. If this clause had remained then lesbian couples would have been unable to access IVF treatment.

20th May 2008 – DUP MPs vote against Government proposals to allow single mothers and lesbian couples access to IVF treatment – twice.

June 2008 – DUP MP & MLA Iris Robinson claims that homosexuality can be ‘cured’.

21st July 2008 – DUP MP & MLA Iris Robinson claims that homosexuality is ‘viler’ than child abuse in a speech to Parliament.

26th July 2011 – DUP MLA Jim Wells calls Belfast Pride ‘repugnant’.

2nd August 2012 – Lord Mayor of Belfast, the DUP Cllr Gavin Robinson, stands by his party’s opposition to gay rights at a panel debate during the Belfast Pride festival.

25th August 2012 – Magherafelt District DUP Cllr Paul McClean calls for homosexuality to be made illegal in Northern Ireland.

1st October 2012 – DUP MLAs block a motion brought forward to facilitate marriage equality in Northern Ireland.

25th October 2013 – DUP MLA Tom Buchanan tells school children attending a public event that homosexuality is an ‘abomination’.

October 2012 – DUP Health Minister Edwin Poots MLA lodges an appeal against the NI High Court Ruling overturning the ban on gay couples being allowed to adopt.

5th Feb 2013 – DUP MPs vote against the second reading of the Marriage (Same-Sex Couples) Bill and all technical motions to facilitate the passing of the Bill.

29th April 2013 – DUP MLAs block a second motion brought forward to facilitate marriage equality in Northern Ireland.


11th Oct 2013 – Despite an NI High Court ruling, DUP Health Minister Edwin Poots MLA refuses to lift the lifetime ban on gay and bisexual men donating blood.

8th December 2014 – DUP MLA Paul Givan publishes a Bill (nicknamed the Conscience Clause) designed to allow religious people an opt out from equality legislation when providing goods and services to gay couples.

23rd April 2015 – During a hustings event in South Down, DUP Health Minister Jim Wells claimed “You don’t bring a child up in a homosexual relationship. That the child is far more likely to be abused and neglected.” (This later led to his resignation as Health Minister 3 days later.)


27th April 2015 – The DUP use a Petition of Concern to block a motion calling for equal marriage in the NI Assembly.

28th April 2015 – DUP Cllr Paul McLean called for homosexuality to be made illegal.

30th April 2015 – DUP Leader and First Minister of NI claims that Cllr McLean is ‘entitled to his views’ and that if homosexuality was illegal he hopes people ‘would obey that law’.

2nd November 2015 – The NI Assembly debates equal marriage for a fifth time and the measure passes by 1 vote however the DUP again use the Petition of Concern to block it.

27th October 2016 – DUP Leader Arlene Foster says her party will continue blocking equal marriage for the next five years with the Petition of Concern.


April 21st 2017 – DUP MLA Jim Wells claims that the party will split if the leadership agrees to it during NI Executive formation talks.

Well it's nice that you brought our attention to all this now they are propping up the government.
I'm surprised you didn't raise it earlier since you seem so concerned.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 30 Jun 17 2.07pm

Originally posted by Hansy

The Queen of Europe, Angela Merkel. Just voted against legalising same sex marriages in Germany. The vote still passed which allows the same sex to marry. She said her reason was because only a man and woman should marry.

This was after voting against allowing same sex couples to adopt.

I hope those that were hurling abuse to the DUP, will also do the same to her. I doubt it though.

Edited by Hansy (30 Jun 2017 1.16pm)

Entirely disagree with her, but the DUP are part of the UK political scene, and sit in my parliament with their Religious nonsense politics that attempt to restrict the rights of ordinary British citizens in line with their god bothering drivel.

Every citizen, should have the same legal rights as every other citizen.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 30 Jun 17 2.11pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

ThE DUP are of the thought that being gay is “immoral, offensive and obnoxious” (Ian Paisley jr) which is a lot different to someone saying marriage is for a man and a woman. If she is a Christian then she couldn't really vote for it but at least she hasn't said the above.

Its kind of odd, that a group that accepts the murder of people for being Catholic, thinks it has any contribution to what is moral or offensive.

Irish Politics is f**king absurdly stupid these days - Its a lot of old school Troubles warriors trying to legitimise their existence, such as the absurdity of the argument over Gaelic that's one of the issues at the core of Stormont being closed.

Two increasingly irrelevant political parties that have to hold on to fear, hate and prejudice in order to remain relevant. I've no doubt that both Sinn Fein and the DUP are also protected by the nutbar factions that were the PIRA and UVF etc from politicians and political parties that actually have relevance to the modern world.

Edited by jamiemartin721 (30 Jun 2017 2.13pm)

 


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Thanks for that. Shows a different culture up in Northern Ireland. People are still voting for them, so the public must have similar views also.

Ireland now has a homosexual President so hopefully the view in that area will change now.

 

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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Its kind of odd, that a group that accepts the murder of people for being Catholic, thinks it has any contribution to what is moral or offensive.

Irish Politics is f**king absurdly stupid these days - Its a lot of old school Troubles warriors trying to legitimise their existence, such as the absurdity of the argument over Gaelic that's one of the issues at the core of Stormont being closed.

Two increasingly irrelevant political parties that have to hold on to fear, hate and prejudice in order to remain relevant. I've no doubt that both Sinn Fein and the DUP are also protected by the nutbar factions that were the PIRA and UVF etc from politicians and political parties that actually have relevance to the modern world.

The thing is, if the public were not interested they wouldn't vote for them. But the country is still very split in terms of being part of the UK and being part of Ireland. The politicians there will continue this until they are being run from Westminster or united with Ireland


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