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Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 09 Mar 04 12.46am

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Palestinian militant group Hamas has released a video showing two Britons it says it used for a suicide bombing a year ago...

...Shanif says: "Muslims are being killed everyday. It is an honour to kill one of those people [Jews]."

...Hanif, from Hounslow, west London, calls on Muslims everywhere to be "people of action".

...Shuli Davidovich, spokeswoman for the Israeli Embassy in London, said the men had used their British passports to kill Israelis.

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Unbelievable.

 
Moose Flag In the sewer pipe... 09 Mar 04 10.56am

Quote Penge Eagle at 09 Mar 2004 12:46am

...Shuli Davidovich, spokeswoman for the Israeli Embassy in London, said the men had used their British passports to kill Israelis.

Unbelievable.

Did they have steel plated ones, or were the photos just extremely offensive?

But on the serious point of the issue, I can't believe that we harbour people like that in this country. It's the same as Abu Hamza - people like this sponge off our taxpayers, laugh in our faces, then kill us - I forget the exact details but I think that Bin Laden was educated here. Surely it's not beyond the wit of our secret service and our legal system to weed out these evil people from our country? Anyone caught publicly spouting the sort of hate-filled bile that some of these so-called clerics get away with should be deported immediately. I know ours is a nation of freedom of speech but this is beyond the pale.

As for our nurturing terrorists, again the secret service must have some ideas fro these people's movements (e.g. 6 month holiday in Afghanistan or Sudan, etc.) that they can be rounded up and made to account for themselves?

 

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Bexter Flag By the Sea 09 Mar 04 11.06am

scary stuff indeed, but until we make middle east peace a priority and prove to people we are sorting out our mess which has caused thousands of deaths over there (mostly palestinians) then the hate will go on. how much hate must you feel to do that? my god.

 
Bexter Flag By the Sea 09 Mar 04 11.10am

and as for nurturing terroists - we arm them don't forget!
it's all tits up. badly.
and hate filled bile? there's the bnp as well don't forget - true brits! i'm not saying i understand what those guys did, but i can see why everything is such a mess. killing innocent people is as low as it gets. whomever has done it.

 
Son of Ron Flag Sidcup 09 Mar 04 11.43am

unfortunately man has been killing each other over a piece of land, religious beliefs or for commericial gain since time began....and I honestly don't think there will ever be true peace in the world - esp. in the middle east.
The politicians and clerics can talk and reason all they like but that won't have any effect on these extremists.

 

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matt_himself Flag Matataland 09 Mar 04 11.57am

I read a report in the Economist a few months ago which said that in most Arab states, 'radical' clerics, such as Hamza, would not be tolerated and would be jailed, and hence, is why many of them prefer living in Britain where they use our fine tradition of free speech for their own purposes.

 

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Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 09 Mar 04 12.26pm

It's getting very difficult to dissociate islam from 'terrorism' now. No matter how much the majority of moslems protest about how they are 'peace loving', the major terrorist threat in this country and worldwide comes from the ranks of islam's adherents. This is a fact.

Moslems in this country also regard themselves as moslems first and British second, which is completely unacceptable. This country has generously accepted them and, on the whole, they have chosen to remain aloof from the rest of us both socially and culturally. This is also unacceptable. People like Abu Hamza (and there are many others of his kind) use the tolerance and hospitality of this country to preach violence and hatred against it and its ways, knowing that their views in their countries of origin would not be tolerated. At best, they're hypocrites and at worst, they are an evil in our midst.

Anywhere else, these people would be deported quicker than you could say 'parasite' but not here - it amuses me to hear people talk about the institutionalised racism that prevails in Britain, yet this country has a better track record of putting up with rubbish like these people than anywhere else I can imagine.

We need to take a far tougher line with the terrorist threat and anyone who preaches dissent openly from their mosque should be removed from Britain immediately. The same goes for those who harbour them.

The sooner everyone realises that these people are dedicated to the overthrow of our way of life by whatever means possible, the quicker and more effective the fight against terrorism will be. These scum have no 'rights' - they forfeited those when they started to preach their hatred while guests in this country.

 

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Moose Flag In the sewer pipe... 09 Mar 04 12.29pm

Quote Bexter at 09 Mar 2004 11:10am

and as for nurturing terroists - we arm them don't forget!
it's all tits up. badly.
and hate filled bile? there's the bnp as well don't forget - true brits! i'm not saying i understand what those guys did, but i can see why everything is such a mess. killing innocent people is as low as it gets. whomever has done it.

I agree, Bexter, the BNP and NF are as vile in their own way as extremist Muslims. They both use our right to free speech to parade their garbage about, as Matt said before, and they both have hatreds towards certain sections of our community. The only major differences being that the BNP / NF don't tend to be a) foreign nationals sponging off the state here b) using our country to plan terrorist atrocities here and around the globe.

Yes, we have armed people who have gone on to become terrorists and leaders in oppressive regimes. We must bear some responsibility (as must the USA) for Bin Laden. However, we can't go on wringing our hands and blaming ourselves for what is happening. We have to undo the wrongs that we did and that means going after these arseholes with as much zeal as they would be pursued in their own countries.

 

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Moose Flag In the sewer pipe... 09 Mar 04 12.36pm

Quote Cucking Funt at 09 Mar 2004 12:26pm

It's getting very difficult to dissociate islam from 'terrorism' now. No matter how much the majority of moslems protest about how they are 'peace loving', the major terrorist threat in this country and worldwide comes from the ranks of islam's adherents. This is a fact.

Moslems in this country also regard themselves as moslems first and British second, which is completely unacceptable. This country has generously accepted them and, on the whole, they have chosen to remain aloof from the rest of us both socially and culturally. This is also unacceptable. People like Abu Hamza (and there are many others of his kind) use the tolerance and hospitality of this country to preach violence and hatred against it and its ways, knowing that their views in their countries of origin would not be tolerated. At best, they're hypocrites and at worst, they are an evil in our midst.

Anywhere else, these people would be deported quicker than you could say 'parasite' but not here - it amuses me to hear people talk about the institutionalised racism that prevails in Britain, yet this country has a better track record of putting up with rubbish like these people than anywhere else I can imagine.

We need to take a far tougher line with the terrorist threat and anyone who preaches dissent openly from their mosque should be removed from Britain immediately. The same goes for those who harbour them.

The sooner everyone realises that these people are dedicated to the overthrow of our way of life by whatever means possible, the quicker and more effective the fight against terrorism will be. These scum have no 'rights' - they forfeited those when they started to preach their hatred while guests in this country.

You're talking a lot of sense there, Cucking, but do you not think you're being a tiny bit sweeping in your generalisations when it comes to our Islamic community? As far as I am aware, and in common with every other group in our community, the vast proportion of Muslims in this country are law-abiding and hard working. They also resent (fear?) the Muslim extremist minority. Are Palace fans all evil because a few chav teenagers cause trouble after the game?


Edited by Moose (09 Mar 2004 12:42pm)

 

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Bexter Flag By the Sea 09 Mar 04 12.38pm

agreed we shoud get rid of them. but we have to be careful not to breed hysteria, the vast vast majority of muslims and islam follwers are peace loving, it's in their religion to be! i'd like to know where cucking gets his facts from - the daily mail? all the muslims i have ever met do not sponge, they work, and hard at that and they have all spoken perfect english. the ones i have talked to are disguisted with the extremists and have suffered abuse because of a fews actions. tarring all with the same brush is a very dangerous game. many are not 'guests' they are 2nd, 3rd generation, they are british.

 
Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 09 Mar 04 12.43pm

Hardly a relevant comparison, Moose. Supporting Palace is not something which orders every single facet of your life (ok, I'm sure there are some no-lifers out there who live for nothing else). Islam is everything for these people. What nationality they happen to be doesn't come into it as far as they're concerned. I have long viewed islam as something culturally alien to this country and will continue to do so. While many of the so-called peaceful majority will deny any association with the actions of the extremists, they will have no loyalty to this country if push comes to shove. If we were to deport these extremists and keep a closer watch on what goes on in their mosques, these are the people who would be most up in arms and whining about victimisation.

 

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 09 Mar 04 12.46pm

Quote Bexter at 09 Mar 2004 12:38pm

i'd like to know where cucking gets his facts from - the daily mail?

What is this obsession with the Daily Mail?? If you took the time and trouble to actually understand what islam is all about, you'd realise that it transcends all notions of nationality. Please try to address this issue without bringing the tabloid press into it.

 

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
Moose Flag In the sewer pipe... 09 Mar 04 12.46pm

Quote Cucking Funt at 09 Mar 2004 12:43pm

Hardly a relevant comparison, Moose. Supporting Palace is not something which orders every single facet of your life (ok, I'm sure there are some no-lifers out there who live for nothing else). Islam is everything for these people. What nationality they happen to be doesn't come into it as far as they're concerned. I have long viewed islam as something culturally alien to this country and will continue to do so. While many of the so-called peaceful majority will deny any association with the actions of the extremists, they will have no loyalty to this country if push comes to shove. If we were to deport these extremists and keep a closer watch on what goes on in their mosques, these are the people who would be most up in arms and whining about victimisation.

The analogy was purely illustrating tarring people with the same brush, old bean!

 

Goodness is what you do. Not who you pray to.
Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 09 Mar 04 12.47pm

Maybe, but it's inaccurate!

 

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
Bexter Flag By the Sea 09 Mar 04 12.50pm

and you would know that the koran does not condone killing people. if extremeists decide to corrupt the preachings, maybe like extremeist catholics read the bible as being anti homosexual, then it is not that majorities fault.

 
Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 09 Mar 04 12.55pm

Quote Bexter at 09 Mar 2004 12:50pm

and you would know that the koran does not condone killing people. if extremeists decide to corrupt the preachings, maybe like extremeist catholics read the bible as being anti homosexual, then it is not that majorities fault.

Good, Bexter... thanks for that. But you've missed the point. This is not a discussion about how the koran views the issue of killing... this is about the views of moslems in this country and the treatment of those who use its hospitality to preach hatred. Additionally, I have floated the idea that moslems in the UK see themselves as moslems before anything else and the suggestion that their 'loyalty' to this country will vaporise in an instant if they feel islam is threatened by the removal of such people. Are we there now?

Incidentally, the bible is anti-homosexual. No need to look for interpretations.

 

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
Bexter Flag By the Sea 09 Mar 04 1.00pm

are we where? accusing about a billion people of thinking the same thing? well, i know at least 3 muslims who love this country, where they were born and bred, and would never ever side with any extremists. they are british with a different religion, just like i am british with no religion.

 
Moose Flag In the sewer pipe... 09 Mar 04 1.03pm

I don't think that the majority of Muslims (especially 2nd/3rd/4th generation Muslims) in this country would care if we removed the Muslim hatemongers from our midst. As I implied before, I think that the law-abiding Muslims fear the exremists because of the power that the likes of Abu Hamza seem to wield. I think they would rejoice to see the extremists thrown out, not least because it would make their own lives easier with less prejudice being directed towards them.

I still think my analogy had some relevance!

 

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Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 09 Mar 04 1.05pm

Quote Bexter at 09 Mar 2004 1:00pm

are we where? accusing about a billion people of thinking the same thing? well, i know at least 3 muslims who love this country, where they were born and bred, and would never ever side with any extremists. they are british with a different religion, just like i am british with no religion.

I bet you do. I also bet that they'd change their tune if they felt that islam was being in some way threatened if the government actually started keeping closer tabs on the mosques and meeting places (because,let's face it, that's where most of these arseholes hang out) and deported the trouble makers.

 

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
Bexter Flag By the Sea 09 Mar 04 1.08pm

how very arrogant of you.

 
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