Teachers and other public sector workers have seen quite a significant pay cut in real terms over the last few years.

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Given that Number Ten can find a billion quid down the back of the sofa for Norn Iron, I wonder if the unions shouldn't take collective action to try and get better conditions.

Are there any HOL members who would support such a course of action?

...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...

So have a lot of private sector workers.

Been something like a 15% cut in real terms. What with the stupid workload and the other crap that goes with it it's no wonder so many have done what I've done and jacked it in for the foreseeable.

Well, to a certain extent I'd agree.....But the free market destroyed the western economies in 2008.

Those with an uncritical eye on the free market aren't helping.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Yep...I jacked...Far better off now.

State sector teaching is in a crisis.....It's not the only one in the public sector either.

The lax approach to training our own workforce by both parties when in power with just relying on incoming foreigners to do the work has to end. Start training British workers as a priority.

Government needs to stand up and sort it out.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Jul 2017 10.37pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Yep, I'd agree.

When you go into a secondary school the teachers are...in the main...on the young side...the only old ones are in management.

If you walk into any new job and see that...it should set off alarm bells.

Essentially it's a big turnover....ten years and plenty are burnt out....What's that stat? After three years 3 out of 5 newly qualified teachers have left.....They don't get sacked...they leave....and that's been during this economic crisis where plenty of people are just happy to have a job.

But this isn't taking away from other difficult jobs. Teaching is very important, but it isn't a 'special case'...there are plenty of problem areas.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Jul 2017 10.28pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

If it's a vocation then where are the people?

The reality is that there are too many teaching jobs required for teaching to be a 'vocation'.

Hrolf...teaching before it was turned into a business was a vocation....in the seventies perhaps....Mr Barrett my old English teacher would have been a good example.....Just taught us Wordsworth all day whilst sipping tea with his feet up on the desk.

That's not today my old mucker.....Mr Barrett just wouldn't do the job today.

Barrett was a bloody good teacher.....Politicians, over decades have completely fcuked up teaching.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Jul 2017 10.54pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

At the end of the day, spend like Labour and the economy is totally destroyed.

When you look at the country.

The politicians have to be the worst public sector profession ever. They are so useless at running anything....I wouldn't trust them to be able to w*** themselves to a climax.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Goodnight, and a hat tip to both your missus and daughter.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)