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mattteo Flag 19 Jan 19 6.50pm

As long as nobody seems to be coming even though we were at one point linked with Batshuayi, Origi, Niasse and Cenk Tosun, I might as well put this one here.

Lucas Perez- Spanish player able to play as center forward or winger, left footed, fights a lot and contributes to many goals.

Wasn't even in the squad for today's West Ham match with Pellegrini quoted as saying that he prefers other options. Even if Arnautovic does go to China (as per latest reports), they will surely bring a replacement for him (Maxi Gomez from Celta?) and they'll have for 2 central spots up front: Arnautovic/new striker, Carroll, Nasri, Chicharito. No room for Perez (just to make myself clear, this is because Pellegrini is an idiot, cause Perez has played 572 minutes for West Ham until now and scored 4 goals, better than all their strikers)

That being said, a lot of teams from Spain are watching him, even very good ones, this article saying these are FC BARCELONA, Atletico Madrid, Valencia and Betis. So...if Barcelona and Atletico Madrid want him, then surely I must have said something right when I talked about him the other month.

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The reason why he is wanted there is because he has proven himself to be very good for mid-table or relegation threatened teams and has a great goals and assists ratio in few minutes: 40 goals and 25 assists in the last 3 years for Deportivo la Coruna, Arsenal and West Ham in 7900 minutes.

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The best thing is that he cost West Ham only 4 million and they will want only about that to sell him. He also has a decent salary for a forward who scores goals at 80.000 a week (at least compared to Chicharito's 140.000 a week or Benteke's 100.000 a week)


Edited by mattteo (19 Jan 2019 6.52pm)

 

Petereagle Flag Brockley 19 Jan 19 8.14pm

Originally posted by mattteo

As long as nobody seems to be coming even though we were at one point linked with Batshuayi, Origi, Niasse and Cenk Tosun, I might as well put this one here.

Lucas Perez- Spanish player able to play as center forward or winger, left footed, fights a lot and contributes to many goals.

Wasn't even in the squad for today's West Ham match with Pellegrini quoted as saying that he prefers other options. Even if Arnautovic does go to China (as per latest reports), they will surely bring a replacement for him (Maxi Gomez from Celta?) and they'll have for 2 central spots up front: Arnautovic/new striker, Carroll, Nasri, Chicharito. No room for Perez (just to make myself clear, this is because Pellegrini is an idiot, cause Perez has played 572 minutes for West Ham until now and scored 4 goals, better than all their strikers)

That being said, a lot of teams from Spain are watching him, even very good ones, this article saying these are FC BARCELONA, Atletico Madrid, Valencia and Betis. So...if Barcelona and Atletico Madrid want him, then surely I must have said something right when I talked about him the other month.

[Link]

The reason why he is wanted there is because he has proven himself to be very good for mid-table or relegation threatened teams and has a great goals and assists ratio in few minutes: 40 goals and 25 assists in the last 3 years for Deportivo la Coruna, Arsenal and West Ham in 7900 minutes.

[Link]

The best thing is that he cost West Ham only 4 million and they will want only about that to sell him. He also has a decent salary for a forward who scores goals at 80.000 a week (at least compared to Chicharito's 140.000 a week or Benteke's 100.000 a week)


Edited by mattteo (19 Jan 2019 6.52pm)

I think you should
have Friedman’s mobile number Matteo, you’re like an extra scout!

 

Loz83 Flag Crawley 22 Jan 19 10.20am

Great shout, he’s a very decent player, I think he would fit in great at a club like ours where he would be appreciated!

 

DeanMiles Flag Telford 22 Jan 19 10.32am

No point. He won't start over Ayew.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 22 Jan 19 10.41am

Arsenal signed Perez from Deportivo La Coruna for £17 Mill but he never really made an impact there and he was loaned back to his old club where he scored 9 goals in 37 apps.W.Ham signed him for the relative paltry sum of £4 Mill + add-ons.Has scored only 2 goals this season in 10 PL games but I think most,if not all of his appearances have been from the bench.

Left-footed, he can play as the main striker, the second striker or in a deeper role.Good technical quality, makes direct runs and can link with the midfield.I have seen him cross with his weaker right-foot when he has been out wide on the right.

Edited by Willo (22 Jan 2019 10.43am)

 

stevo Flag Reigate 22 Jan 19 11.08am

Condescending much?

Originally posted by Willo

Arsenal signed Perez from Deportivo La Coruna for £17 Mill but he never really made an impact there and he was loaned back to his old club where he scored 9 goals in 37 apps.W.Ham signed him for the relative paltry sum of £4 Mill + add-ons.Has scored only 2 goals this season in 10 PL games but I think most,if not all of his appearances have been from the bench.

Left-footed, he can play as the main striker, the second striker or in a deeper role.Good technical quality, makes direct runs and can link with the midfield.I have seen him cross with his weaker right-foot when he has been out wide on the right.

Edited by Willo (22 Jan 2019 10.43am)

 


Slowly slowly catchy monkey

Loz83 Flag Crawley 22 Jan 19 12.52pm

Originally posted by Willo

Arsenal signed Perez from Deportivo La Coruna for £17 Mill but he never really made an impact there and he was loaned back to his old club where he scored 9 goals in 37 apps.W.Ham signed him for the relative paltry sum of £4 Mill + add-ons.Has scored only 2 goals this season in 10 PL games but I think most,if not all of his appearances have been from the bench.

Left-footed, he can play as the main striker, the second striker or in a deeper role.Good technical quality, makes direct runs and can link with the midfield.I have seen him cross with his weaker right-foot when he has been out wide on the right.

Edited by Willo (22 Jan 2019 10.43am)

Thanks for that load of drivel. Matteo has already covered all of that mate. The difference is Matteo knows his stuff, you just do a google search.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 22 Jan 19 1.03pm

Originally posted by Loz83

Thanks for that load of drivel. Matteo has already covered all of that mate. The difference is Matteo knows his stuff, you just do a google search.


My pleasure.I got a frisson of excitement on perusing your 'Thanks'.

One persons 'Drivel' is another person's......

Anyway I think it best the thread returns to the subject matter of which I do know something about without having to avail of Google.Besides I cannot see anything untoward using the Internet and software for information - I suspect that Matteo does the same and this is NOT a criticism of him at all as I welcome his input.

Edited by Willo (22 Jan 2019 1.11pm)

 

EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 22 Jan 19 1.13pm

He’s completely flopped at both PL clubs he’s played for - the goals and assists you’ve quoted in the last a few years are nearly exclusively in cup completions - his PL record is atrocious.

In 16/17 he made 20 PL Apps for Arsenal, starting 11 of them, and scored 1 goal.

This year he has made 17 PL Apps, starting 10, and has scored 2 goals.

Why on earth would we pump £80k a week + transfer fee into someone with that record?

 

Osvaldo Flag Epsom 22 Jan 19 1.40pm

Just over a week to go before the transfer window closes and we are still waiting to hear whether we will secure a half decent striker.
We haven't got a CF that scores goals, surely the Sunderland lad has to be a good bet.
Unless we are able to get someone, I feel we could soon be really struggling. Cardiff are not far behind, Southampton have got a new lease of life, Burnley did what we couldn't do, get a result against Watford, on paper, a game we should have won, a couple of wins can change everything.
A year or so ago, we were facing the same dilemma and so nothing has changed.
Pity about Welbeck, but a shot at Sturridge wouldn't be a bad bet and sell Benteke to Spurs before Saturday and we've got a chance of progressing to the 5th round and the following week 3 points against Fulham should make a good case for staying up.

 

ger20 Flag London 22 Jan 19 2.54pm

How about Andy Carol as a sledge hammer

 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 22 Jan 19 2.58pm

Originally posted by ger20

How about Andy Carol as a sledge hammer

Sledge hammer or just nut?

 


One more point

NickinOX Flag Sailing country. 22 Jan 19 2.59pm

I’ve liked the look of him when I’ve seen him play.

 


If you come to a fork in the road, take it.

I'mPalace Till I Die Flag 22 Jan 19 3.19pm

If we could get him for £4M and on less wages I would say he's worth a punt. Might fit our team/style of play better than Arsenal/West Ham, who knows

 

dp Flag Tunbridge Wells 22 Jan 19 5.01pm

[quote=I'mPalace Till I Die;3404551]

If we could get him for £4M and on less wages I would say he's worth a punt. Might fit our team/style of play better than Arsenal/West Ham, who knows

I don’t think the £4m has any real basis in fact, it is just a guess of what they would accept.

 

mattteo Flag 22 Jan 19 7.08pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

He’s completely flopped at both PL clubs he’s played for - the goals and assists you’ve quoted in the last a few years are nearly exclusively in cup completions - his PL record is atrocious.

In 16/17 he made 20 PL Apps for Arsenal, starting 11 of them, and scored 1 goal.


He has not flopped at all. This is exactly the type of thinking that is damaging, measuring player according to the number of matches. What if he just comes on for 4-5 minutes in those matches? Does it still count as 20 matches??

What if I tell you he didn't play more than 500 minutes in his usual position as striker and still managed to score 4 goals??

At Arsenal they kept on using him only as winger. Kind of hard to score from that position (at least as much as center forwards do). Try putting Benteke on the wing and see of he scores that much. Oh, wait...

This is EXACTLY the kind of player who is cheap because people don't realize that his big number of matches is actually a small number of minutes and his value is kept down BECAUSE of that statistic you give of just 20 appearances and 1 goal making people suspect him a flop.

This is exactly why people like me are good at this job, observing what others can't, seeing a player who others don't and getting him on the cheap when his value should be much, much higher and he WILL score BIG TIME if he is played, this I could almost guarantee if I were a scout.


Also, your stats above is bulls*it. Where are those 11 starts for Arsenal in those 20 appearances in that 16/17 PL season? I'll pay you 100 dollars if you find more than 2 starts. And they were both as winger


Edited by mattteo (22 Jan 2019 7.10pm)

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 22 Jan 19 7.27pm

Originally posted by mattteo


He has not flopped at all. This is exactly the type of thinking that is damaging, measuring player according to the number of matches. What if he just comes on for 4-5 minutes in those matches? Does it still count as 20 matches??

What if I tell you he didn't play more than 500 minutes in his usual position as striker and still managed to score 4 goals??

At Arsenal they kept on using him only as winger. Kind of hard to score from that position (at least as much as center forwards do). Try putting Benteke on the wing and see of he scores that much. Oh, wait...

This is EXACTLY the kind of player who is cheap because people don't realize that his big number of matches is actually a small number of minutes and his value is kept down BECAUSE of that statistic you give of just 20 appearances and 1 goal making people suspect him a flop.

This is exactly why people like me are good at this job, observing what others can't, seeing a player who others don't and getting him on the cheap when his value should be much, much higher and he WILL score BIG TIME if he is played, this I could almost guarantee if I were a scout.


Also, your stats above is bulls*it. Where are those 11 starts for Arsenal in those 20 appearances in that 16/17 PL season? I'll pay you 100 dollars if you find more than 2 starts. And they were both as winger


Edited by mattteo (22 Jan 2019 7.10pm)

I am reminded of the saying "If you don't blow your own trumpet,someone else will use it as a spitoon".

 

EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 22 Jan 19 7.31pm

Originally posted by mattteo


He has not flopped at all. This is exactly the type of thinking that is damaging, measuring player according to the number of matches. What if he just comes on for 4-5 minutes in those matches? Does it still count as 20 matches??

What if I tell you he didn't play more than 500 minutes in his usual position as striker and still managed to score 4 goals??

At Arsenal they kept on using him only as winger. Kind of hard to score from that position (at least as much as center forwards do). Try putting Benteke on the wing and see of he scores that much. Oh, wait...

This is EXACTLY the kind of player who is cheap because people don't realize that his big number of matches is actually a small number of minutes and his value is kept down BECAUSE of that statistic you give of just 20 appearances and 1 goal making people suspect him a flop.

This is exactly why people like me are good at this job, observing what others can't, seeing a player who others don't and getting him on the cheap when his value should be much, much higher and he WILL score BIG TIME if he is played, this I could almost guarantee if I were a scout.


Also, your stats above is bulls*it. Where are those 11 starts for Arsenal in those 20 appearances in that 16/17 PL season? I'll pay you 100 dollars if you find more than 2 starts. And they were both as winger


Edited by mattteo (22 Jan 2019 7.10pm)


Of course he hasn't flopped; the fact he couldn't get into the first XI for neither West Ham nor Arsenal is pure coincidence. The 3 Premier League goals he's managed since joining in 2016 make him a real success.

To challenge your points;

You introduced the idea of Perez's versatility in your OP, yet now you argue it's unfair to judge him when not played up front - which is it?

There are so many flaws with your obsession with minutes/goals as the predominant comparative measure;

Why do you think he has so few minutes in the PL? Could it be because he wasn't deemed good enough by his managers and coaches? Could it be that he has a bad injury record? Poor attitude? All of these are factors in judging a player, and all contribute to how many minutes they get on the pitch - his numbers on that front are pathetic.

Nearly always, the best players play the most minutes in their best positions - if you're telling me the bloke has only played 500 minutes in his preferred position in 3 years, that is a million miles from being a positive. I'm asking why on earth is that the case?

Attackers coming off the bench are generally bought on because their team is chasing a game - naturally, their goal/minute stats can be massively inflated because of this.

Your point about 'people like me being good at this job' - what job do you do exactly? I was under the impression you're not professionally involved at all?

The arrogance of your posts is really something to behold.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 22 Jan 19 7.36pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow


Of course he hasn't flopped; the fact he couldn't get into the first XI for neither West Ham nor Arsenal is pure coincidence. The 3 Premier League goals he's managed since joining in 2016 make him a real success.

To challenge your points;

You introduced the idea of Perez's versatility in your OP, yet now you argue it's unfair to judge him when not played up front - which is it?

There are so many flaws with your obsession with minutes/goals as the predominant comparative measure;

Why do you think he has so few minutes in the PL? Could it be because he wasn't deemed good enough by his managers and coaches? Could it be that he has a bad injury record? Poor attitude? All of these are factors in judging a player, and all contribute to how many minutes they get on the pitch - his numbers on that front are pathetic.

Nearly always, the best players play the most minutes in their best positions - if you're telling me the bloke has only played 500 minutes in his preferred position in 3 years, that is a million miles from being a positive. I'm asking why on earth is that the case?

Attackers coming off the bench are generally bought on because their team is chasing a game - naturally, their goal/minute stats can be massively inflated because of this.

Your point about 'people like me being good at this job' - what job do you do exactly? I was under the impression you're not professionally involved at all?

The arrogance of your posts is really something to behold.

Some excellent points raised.

 

JohnB Flag 22 Jan 19 7.51pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow


Of course he hasn't flopped; the fact he couldn't get into the first XI for neither West Ham nor Arsenal is pure coincidence. The 3 Premier League goals he's managed since joining in 2016 make him a real success.

To challenge your points;

You introduced the idea of Perez's versatility in your OP, yet now you argue it's unfair to judge him when not played up front - which is it?

There are so many flaws with your obsession with minutes/goals as the predominant comparative measure;

Why do you think he has so few minutes in the PL? Could it be because he wasn't deemed good enough by his managers and coaches? Could it be that he has a bad injury record? Poor attitude? All of these are factors in judging a player, and all contribute to how many minutes they get on the pitch - his numbers on that front are pathetic.

Nearly always, the best players play the most minutes in their best positions - if you're telling me the bloke has only played 500 minutes in his preferred position in 3 years, that is a million miles from being a positive. I'm asking why on earth is that the case?

Attackers coming off the bench are generally bought on because their team is chasing a game - naturally, their goal/minute stats can be massively inflated because of this.

Your point about 'people like me being good at this job' - what job do you do exactly? I was under the impression you're not professionally involved at all?

The arrogance of your posts is really something to behold.

If only there was a mic drop emoji

 

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