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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 28 May 14 2.42pm
Quote DanH at 28 May 2014 1.37pm Quote Cucking Funt at 28 May 2014 1.19pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 28 May 2014 1.08pm Quote Stirlingsays at 28 May 2014 12.03am There isn't really any provable evidence against him as far as I can tell. Its not about proving, its about establishing whether reasonable doubt exists. Yes, and then proving beyond any reasonable doubt. Did Rolf ever show you his didgeridoo? Edited by DanH (28 May 2014 1.37pm) What did you have to edit, bender? Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 28 May 14 2.42pm

Quote DanH at 28 May 2014 1.37pm

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Quote Stirlingsays at 28 May 2014 12.03am

There isn't really any provable evidence against him as far as I can tell.

Its not about proving, its about establishing whether reasonable doubt exists.

Yes, and then proving beyond any reasonable doubt.

Did Rolf ever show you his didgeridoo?

Edited by DanH (28 May 2014 1.37pm)

What did you have to edit, bender?

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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jamiemartin721 Reading 28 May 14 4.06pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 28 May 2014 1.19pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 28 May 2014 1.08pm Quote Stirlingsays at 28 May 2014 12.03am There isn't really any provable evidence against him as far as I can tell. Its not about proving, its about establishing whether reasonable doubt exists. It amounts to the same thing. If you prove something then reasonable doubt doesn't remain. If you can't prove something then doubt always remains. There has to be sufficent evidence presented to establish that there is a case to answer. It doesn't look good for Rolfy, what with the whole secret relationship, incriminating letters, several other cases showing a pattern and essentially admitting to 'inappropriate touching' as being 'touchy feely person'. Shame, because I met him a few years back, and he seemed a lovely guy. Had a couple of drinks with him and his wife in the Zen Garden in Maidenhead, and chatted about art. I really want him to be not guilty, but its not looking good. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote Stirlingsays at 28 May 2014 1.19pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 28 May 2014 1.08pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 28 May 2014 12.03am

There isn't really any provable evidence against him as far as I can tell.

Its not about proving, its about establishing whether reasonable doubt exists.

It amounts to the same thing. If you prove something then reasonable doubt doesn't remain. If you can't prove something then doubt always remains.

There has to be sufficent evidence presented to establish that there is a case to answer. It doesn't look good for Rolfy, what with the whole secret relationship, incriminating letters, several other cases showing a pattern and essentially admitting to 'inappropriate touching' as being 'touchy feely person'.

Shame, because I met him a few years back, and he seemed a lovely guy. Had a couple of drinks with him and his wife in the Zen Garden in Maidenhead, and chatted about art.

I really want him to be not guilty, but its not looking good.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Stirlingsays 28 May 14 4.16pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 28 May 2014 4.06pm Quote Stirlingsays at 28 May 2014 1.19pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 28 May 2014 1.08pm Quote Stirlingsays at 28 May 2014 12.03am There isn't really any provable evidence against him as far as I can tell. Its not about proving, its about establishing whether reasonable doubt exists. It amounts to the same thing. If you prove something then reasonable doubt doesn't remain. If you can't prove something then doubt always remains. There has to be sufficent evidence presented to establish that there is a case to answer. It doesn't look good for Rolfy, what with the whole secret relationship, incriminating letters, several other cases showing a pattern and essentially admitting to 'inappropriate touching' as being 'touchy feely person'. Shame, because I met him a few years back, and he seemed a lovely guy. Had a couple of drinks with him and his wife in the Zen Garden in Maidenhead, and chatted about art. I really want him to be not guilty, but its not looking good. Circumstantial when it comes to proving underage sex. I think he should be returned not guilty from what I've heard anyway......I think he's a victim of our current hysteria over the shady culture of the past. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 28 May 2014 4.06pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 28 May 2014 1.19pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 28 May 2014 1.08pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 28 May 2014 12.03am

There isn't really any provable evidence against him as far as I can tell.

Its not about proving, its about establishing whether reasonable doubt exists.

It amounts to the same thing. If you prove something then reasonable doubt doesn't remain. If you can't prove something then doubt always remains.

Shame, because I met him a few years back, and he seemed a lovely guy. Had a couple of drinks with him and his wife in the Zen Garden in Maidenhead, and chatted about art.

I really want him to be not guilty, but its not looking good.

Circumstantial when it comes to proving underage sex.

I think he should be returned not guilty from what I've heard anyway......I think he's a victim of our current hysteria over the shady culture of the past.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 28 May 14 4.18pm
Seems to be based on hearsay without a great deal of corroboration. What happened about the indecent images on his PC? Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 28 May 14 4.18pm

Seems to be based on hearsay without a great deal of corroboration.

What happened about the indecent images on his PC?

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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jamiemartin721 Reading 28 May 14 4.31pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 28 May 2014 4.16pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 28 May 2014 4.06pm Quote Stirlingsays at 28 May 2014 1.19pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 28 May 2014 1.08pm Quote Stirlingsays at 28 May 2014 12.03am There isn't really any provable evidence against him as far as I can tell. Its not about proving, its about establishing whether reasonable doubt exists. It amounts to the same thing. If you prove something then reasonable doubt doesn't remain. If you can't prove something then doubt always remains. There has to be sufficent evidence presented to establish that there is a case to answer. It doesn't look good for Rolfy, what with the whole secret relationship, incriminating letters, several other cases showing a pattern and essentially admitting to 'inappropriate touching' as being 'touchy feely person'. Shame, because I met him a few years back, and he seemed a lovely guy. Had a couple of drinks with him and his wife in the Zen Garden in Maidenhead, and chatted about art. I really want him to be not guilty, but its not looking good. Circumstantial when it comes to proving underage sex. I think he should be returned not guilty from what I've heard anyway......I think he's a victim of our current hysteria over the shady culture of the past. Circumstancial evidence can be very damning, if for example you stated to the police when you made a statement that 'you didn't know the person', for example, and then they prove that you did. Problem with sex offences, is that its always going to come down to allegation vs defence. Usually if you can put someone somewhere, at a specific time, when they said they were elsewhere, their alibi and defence becomes unreliable: and when you're in a case thats your word vs theirs, that can be damning. He wouldn't be the first person to be found guilty on the basis of sufficent circumstantial evidence shredding a defence. Or because a number of independent cases of people making accusations. That letter essentially apologising, that could damn him. I suspect he'll dodge the rape charges, and get done for indecent assault, and get a couple of years. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 28 May 14 4.31pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 28 May 2014 4.16pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 28 May 2014 4.06pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 28 May 2014 1.19pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 28 May 2014 1.08pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 28 May 2014 12.03am

There isn't really any provable evidence against him as far as I can tell.

Its not about proving, its about establishing whether reasonable doubt exists.

It amounts to the same thing. If you prove something then reasonable doubt doesn't remain. If you can't prove something then doubt always remains.

Shame, because I met him a few years back, and he seemed a lovely guy. Had a couple of drinks with him and his wife in the Zen Garden in Maidenhead, and chatted about art.

I really want him to be not guilty, but its not looking good.

Circumstantial when it comes to proving underage sex.

I think he should be returned not guilty from what I've heard anyway......I think he's a victim of our current hysteria over the shady culture of the past.

Circumstancial evidence can be very damning, if for example you stated to the police when you made a statement that 'you didn't know the person', for example, and then they prove that you did.

Problem with sex offences, is that its always going to come down to allegation vs defence. Usually if you can put someone somewhere, at a specific time, when they said they were elsewhere, their alibi and defence becomes unreliable: and when you're in a case thats your word vs theirs, that can be damning.

He wouldn't be the first person to be found guilty on the basis of sufficent circumstantial evidence shredding a defence. Or because a number of independent cases of people making accusations.

That letter essentially apologising, that could damn him.

I suspect he'll dodge the rape charges, and get done for indecent assault, and get a couple of years.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 28 May 14 4.32pm
Quote Cucking Funt at 28 May 2014 4.18pm Seems to be based on hearsay without a great deal of corroboration. What happened about the indecent images on his PC? The indecent images charges would likely be heard seperately. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote Cucking Funt at 28 May 2014 4.18pm

Seems to be based on hearsay without a great deal of corroboration.

What happened about the indecent images on his PC?

The indecent images charges would likely be heard seperately.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 28 May 14 6.52pm
Could Rolf have done a better pic ? Attachment: can you guess what i am yet ....jpg (19.27Kb) I disengage, I turn the page.
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Could Rolf have done a better pic ?

Attachment: can you guess what i am yet ....jpg (19.27Kb)

I disengage, I turn the page.

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 28 May 14 6.57pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 28 May 2014 4.06pm Quote Stirlingsays at 28 May 2014 1.19pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 28 May 2014 1.08pm Quote Stirlingsays at 28 May 2014 12.03am There isn't really any provable evidence against him as far as I can tell. Its not about proving, its about establishing whether reasonable doubt exists. It amounts to the same thing. If you prove something then reasonable doubt doesn't remain. If you can't prove something then doubt always remains. There has to be sufficent evidence presented to establish that there is a case to answer. It doesn't look good for Rolfy, what with the whole secret relationship, incriminating letters, several other cases showing a pattern and essentially admitting to 'inappropriate touching' as being 'touchy feely person'. Shame, because I met him a few years back, and he seemed a lovely guy. Had a couple of drinks with him and his wife in the Zen Garden in Maidenhead, and chatted about art. I really want him to be not guilty, but its not looking good. art and pron are very close relatives. Perhaps it is subjective as to whether thrusting your hand between the legs of a minor is perverted, or perhaps an emotive expression of societies Freudian 'hang-ups' Discuss I disengage, I turn the page.
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in a hidey-hole 28 May 14 6.57pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 28 May 2014 4.06pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 28 May 2014 1.19pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 28 May 2014 1.08pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 28 May 2014 12.03am

There isn't really any provable evidence against him as far as I can tell.

Its not about proving, its about establishing whether reasonable doubt exists.

It amounts to the same thing. If you prove something then reasonable doubt doesn't remain. If you can't prove something then doubt always remains.

Shame, because I met him a few years back, and he seemed a lovely guy. Had a couple of drinks with him and his wife in the Zen Garden in Maidenhead, and chatted about art.

I really want him to be not guilty, but its not looking good.

art and pron are very close relatives.

Perhaps it is subjective as to whether thrusting your hand between the legs of a minor is perverted, or perhaps an emotive expression of societies Freudian 'hang-ups' Discuss

I disengage, I turn the page.

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johnno42000 28 May 14 7.51pm
Quote Cucking Funt at 28 May 2014 4.18pm Seems to be based on hearsay without a great deal of corroboration. What happened about the indecent images on his PC? The judge is examining these very closely....to see if they should be admitted as evidence of course. Edited by johnno42000 (28 May 2014 8.38pm) 'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'
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28 May 14 7.51pm

Quote Cucking Funt at 28 May 2014 4.18pm

Seems to be based on hearsay without a great deal of corroboration.

What happened about the indecent images on his PC?

The judge is examining these very closely....to see if they should be admitted as evidence of course.

Edited by johnno42000 (28 May 2014 8.38pm)

'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

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mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 29 May 14 9.49am
Quote Cucking Funt at 28 May 2014 4.18pm Seems to be based on hearsay without a great deal of corroboration. What happened about the indecent images on his PC? We've all had images of that sort from Hearsay on our PCs. This is getting serious now. Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.
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Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 29 May 14 9.49am

Quote Cucking Funt at 28 May 2014 4.18pm

Seems to be based on hearsay without a great deal of corroboration.

What happened about the indecent images on his PC?

We've all had images of that sort from Hearsay on our PCs.

This is getting serious now.

Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

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beagle pom tiddly om pom pom 29 May 14 10.53am
Quote johnno42000 at 28 May 2014 7.51pm Quote Cucking Funt at 28 May 2014 4.18pm Seems to be based on hearsay without a great deal of corroboration. What happened about the indecent images on his PC? The judge is examining these very closely....to see if they should be admitted as evidence of course. When the time comes, I want die just like my Dad - at peace and asleep. Not screaming and terrified. Like his passengers.
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pom tiddly om pom pom 29 May 14 10.53am

Quote johnno42000 at 28 May 2014 7.51pm

Quote Cucking Funt at 28 May 2014 4.18pm

Seems to be based on hearsay without a great deal of corroboration.

What happened about the indecent images on his PC?

The judge is examining these very closely....to see if they should be admitted as evidence of course.

When the time comes, I want die just like my Dad - at peace and asleep.
Not screaming and terrified.
Like his passengers.

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Part Time James 29 May 14 3.04pm
This is getting silly like PPI claims now. There needs to be a cutoff. Maybe a TV advert that says "Were you abused by a celebrity in the 70s? You have until December 2014 to come forward. After that we are writing off that decade and only claims from 1980 onwards will be considered". If they don't do this then how can criminals ever rest easy that they'll never get caught?
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This is getting silly like PPI claims now. There needs to be a cutoff. Maybe a TV advert that says "Were you abused by a celebrity in the 70s? You have until December 2014 to come forward. After that we are writing off that decade and only claims from 1980 onwards will be considered".

If they don't do this then how can criminals ever rest easy that they'll never get caught?

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