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dannyh Flag wherever I lay my hat....... 25 May 13 7.30am Send a Private Message to dannyh Add dannyh as a friend

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Quote Stirlingsays at 24 May 2013 6.55pm

I'll never have a go at the Irish people for the war.

Too many Irish fought and died fighting on our side for that. Also our armies are packed full with Irish and Irish descent.

But I will have a go at their terrible government and their dishonourable political stand during the war. They sat on the fence and didn't defend democracy.

Many Irish individuals did however and came back to be shunned by their government.

Disgraceful and dishonourable government.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 May 2013 6.55pm)


U-Boats were permitted to re-fuel at Kinsale.

Nice bit of neutrality, that.

A fact that is often overlooked when the misty eyed good ol Orish reminisce about their part in the biggun.


That was never proven nor was it proven that Dublin did get bombed for sending fire trucks to you lot during the Blitz.

The reason they were shunned by their government was because the country could of been invaded at any moment by the UK or Germany.

You have to remember that it was such as short time after the Irish War and that the party in power at the time lost the civil war. They blamed Churchill for the civil war.

However, I think he was a leader and if it were not for him, there would of been serious morale problems during the war.

Edited by corkery (24 May 2013 10.01pm)


Guy Liddell, the director of wartime British counter-espionage, wrote that he had asked Colonel Liam Archer of Ireland's G2 military intelligence about U-boat landings, to which the alleged reply was: "They are here in force, we can't do anything." According to Liddell, Archer said that a U-boat called in three times a week at a base at the mouth of the Doonbeg river, County Clare. Archer, who was a senior liaison officer at a secret meeting with the British, is on record as telling them that some Irish ports did not even have permanent military guards (but not as admitting that U-boat packs were flocking to Irish coastal waters).

Archer also gave British intelligence details of equipment, found on three captured German agents in Skibbereen, which included explosives inside a tin of French peas intended to blow up Buckingham Palace. Archer would not let the Brits interview the three German prisoners.


Proof enough for me. Not to mention the countless sightings (by english soliders that had nipped over the border for a pint) of U boat officers in pubs, in the south, in uniform, having a beer and a bit of RnR.

One other point I would like to raise, I accept it was the government that was mainly to blame for the "indifference" but I don't remember to many protest marches being recorded in the WW2 history books.

 


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Quote Forest Hillbilly at 23 May 2013 8.10am

No doubt he was a cnt.
He offered the Oirish fighting in WW2 independence, and then had a selective memory.
But to counter that, the Oirsh kept their houses well lit during the blitz, to avoid them being bombed, but which also acted as a marker for the Luwaffe to bomb the NW of England.
He also wanted to invade Russia at the end of WW2, but was out-voted.

He was indeed a cnt, but where would we be right now with an even bigger cnt in Chamberlain ?

And the Furher was simply brilliant. His only mistake was to take on Russia with insufficient forces/supply chains. And then the fcking Japs got involved and brought the USA into the war.

German military might was simply awesome. They just bit a teensy bit more than they could chew.
However, England wouldn't have survived the Blitz without Churchill

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (23 May 2013 8.15am)


Two rules of world domination.

1. Don't invade Russia.

2. File your tax return.

 

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ragatony Flag orpington 25 May 13 10.45am Send a Private Message to ragatony Add ragatony as a friend

Eaglesmad, a lot of revisionist history is being done on Churchill. Some of his carry ons were not very good.
Why is this topic anti British soldiers?
And by the way English people used to speak German.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 25 May 13 2.38pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Quote ragatony at 25 May 2013 10.45am

Eaglesmad, a lot of revisionist history is being done on Churchill. Some of his carry ons were not very good.
Why is this topic anti British soldiers?
And by the way English people used to speak German.


No they didn't speak German.

Germany is a very recent nation. The fact is that the Anglo and Saxon languages that mixed in with our other influences wasn't the same language that the new Germans spoke.

It's like saying that English is French because we share a language heritage.

The language of these shores has never been the same as another country's language. The nearest we would have got to that was when the Romans were here or when only the elite Normans and their court spoke only French.

 


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Quote Stirlingsays at 25 May 2013 2.38pm

Quote ragatony at 25 May 2013 10.45am

Eaglesmad, a lot of revisionist history is being done on Churchill. Some of his carry ons were not very good.
Why is this topic anti British soldiers?
And by the way English people used to speak German.


No they didn't speak German.

Germany is a very recent nation. The fact is that the Anglo and Saxon languages that mixed in with our other influences wasn't the same language that the new Germans spoke.

It's like saying that English is French because we share a language heritage.

The language of these shores has never been the same as another country's language. The nearest we would have got to that was when the Romans were here or when only the elite Normans and their court spoke only French.


Indeed. That's telling 'em. I'm sure, however, someone will come along with some waffling bollocks to try and prove you wrong.

 


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Plane Flag Bromley 25 May 13 5.02pm

Quote Cucking Funt at 25 May 2013 4.59pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 25 May 2013 2.38pm

Quote ragatony at 25 May 2013 10.45am

Eaglesmad, a lot of revisionist history is being done on Churchill. Some of his carry ons were not very good.
Why is this topic anti British soldiers?
And by the way English people used to speak German.


No they didn't speak German.

Germany is a very recent nation. The fact is that the Anglo and Saxon languages that mixed in with our other influences wasn't the same language that the new Germans spoke.

It's like saying that English is French because we share a language heritage.

The language of these shores has never been the same as another country's language. The nearest we would have got to that was when the Romans were here or when only the elite Normans and their court spoke only French.


Indeed. That's telling 'em. I'm sure, however, someone will come along with some waffling bollocks to try and prove you wrong.

On the Hol, surely not!

 

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grump Flag Milford On Sea 31 May 13 2.10pm Send a Private Message to grump Add grump as a friend

Churchill......he da man !!!

 


Stay out the way of the Southern thing.

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kevpofcpfc Flag 31 May 13 4.48pm Send a Private Message to kevpofcpfc Add kevpofcpfc as a friend

The persistence of Churchill in the battle for North Africa was pivotal, he alone persuaded the yanks that this was the place to deploy. The masterclass appointment of Mountbatten and the following kicking of the Africa Korps paved the way for the fall of Italy.

 

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Quote dannyh at 25 May 2013 7.30am

Quote corkery at 24 May 2013 9.58pm

Quote dannyh at 24 May 2013 8.25pm

Quote Cucking Funt at 24 May 2013 7.10pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 24 May 2013 6.55pm

I'll never have a go at the Irish people for the war.

Too many Irish fought and died fighting on our side for that. Also our armies are packed full with Irish and Irish descent.

But I will have a go at their terrible government and their dishonourable political stand during the war. They sat on the fence and didn't defend democracy.

Many Irish individuals did however and came back to be shunned by their government.

Disgraceful and dishonourable government.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 May 2013 6.55pm)


U-Boats were permitted to re-fuel at Kinsale.

Nice bit of neutrality, that.

A fact that is often overlooked when the misty eyed good ol Orish reminisce about their part in the biggun.


That was never proven nor was it proven that Dublin did get bombed for sending fire trucks to you lot during the Blitz.

The reason they were shunned by their government was because the country could of been invaded at any moment by the UK or Germany.

You have to remember that it was such as short time after the Irish War and that the party in power at the time lost the civil war. They blamed Churchill for the civil war.

However, I think he was a leader and if it were not for him, there would of been serious morale problems during the war.

Edited by corkery (24 May 2013 10.01pm)


Guy Liddell, the director of wartime British counter-espionage, wrote that he had asked Colonel Liam Archer of Ireland's G2 military intelligence about U-boat landings, to which the alleged reply was: "They are here in force, we can't do anything." According to Liddell, Archer said that a U-boat called in three times a week at a base at the mouth of the Doonbeg river, County Clare. Archer, who was a senior liaison officer at a secret meeting with the British, is on record as telling them that some Irish ports did not even have permanent military guards (but not as admitting that U-boat packs were flocking to Irish coastal waters).

Archer also gave British intelligence details of equipment, found on three captured German agents in Skibbereen, which included explosives inside a tin of French peas intended to blow up Buckingham Palace. Archer would not let the Brits interview the three German prisoners.


Proof enough for me. Not to mention the countless sightings (by english soliders that had nipped over the border for a pint) of U boat officers in pubs, in the south, in uniform, having a beer and a bit of RnR.

One other point I would like to raise, I accept it was the government that was mainly to blame for the "indifference" but I don't remember to many protest marches being recorded in the WW2 history books.

One of the greatest English men of an era!


 


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Quote kevpofcpfc at 31 May 2013 4.48pm

The persistence of Churchill in the battle for North Africa was pivotal, he alone persuaded the yanks that this was the place to deploy. The masterclass appointment of Mountbatten and the following kicking of the Africa Korps paved the way for the fall of Italy.


To balance things it should also be pointed out his involvement with failure's such as the Dardanelles campaign in the First World War, The Dieppe Raid and the Norway invasion.

I still think he was a very good Second World War leader but very far from perfect.

 


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Quote kevpofcpfc at 31 May 2013 4.48pm

The persistence of Churchill in the battle for North Africa was pivotal, he alone persuaded the yanks that this was the place to deploy. The masterclass appointment of Mountbatten and the following kicking of the Africa Korps paved the way for the fall of Italy.


To balance things it should also be pointed out his involvement with failure's such as the Dardanelles campaign in the First World War, The Dieppe Raid and the Norway invasion.

I still think he was a very good Second World War leader but very far from perfect.


He called Hitler for the dangerous f*cker he was when it was very unfashionable to do so.

 


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johnno42000 Flag 31 May 13 6.37pm Send a Private Message to johnno42000 Add johnno42000 as a friend

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Quote kevpofcpfc at 31 May 2013 4.48pm

The persistence of Churchill in the battle for North Africa was pivotal, he alone persuaded the yanks that this was the place to deploy. The masterclass appointment of Mountbatten and the following kicking of the Africa Korps paved the way for the fall of Italy.


To balance things it should also be pointed out his involvement with failure's such as the Dardanelles campaign in the First World War, The Dieppe Raid and the Norway invasion.

I still think he was a very good Second World War leader but very far from perfect.


He called Hitler for the dangerous f*cker he was when it was very unfashionable to do so.

Fair point but he also admired Mussolini, probably as he was anti-communist, so 50% right wasn't too bad.

Edited by johnno42000 (31 May 2013 6.37pm)

 


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