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SavoyTruffle 31 Oct 19 9.05pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Yes, I have heard all the excuses before. Channel 4? Are you kidding? But of course, you are not a Labour man. Endless bulls***. Labour overspending blah... blah... blah... Remind me again, did the tories pay off the deficit in 2014 like they said? What about 2016 like they postponed to?... What about 2017 which they postponed to after? Interesting there is now no mention of getting rid of it now.... ready to inject cash into the economy to get it back to the level of 2010 before they did the damage, almost as if it was a ploy to use as an excuse for underfunding public services. Saw you talking of gullible labour supporters earlier... were you gullible for thinking they would ever pay off the deficit?

SavoyTruffle

31 Oct 19 9.05pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Yes, I have heard all the excuses before.

Channel 4? Are you kidding?

But of course, you are not a Labour man.

Endless bulls***.

Labour overspending blah... blah... blah...

Remind me again, did the tories pay off the deficit in 2014 like they said? What about 2016 like they postponed to?... What about 2017 which they postponed to after? Interesting there is now no mention of getting rid of it now.... ready to inject cash into the economy to get it back to the level of 2010 before they did the damage, almost as if it was a ploy to use as an excuse for underfunding public services.

Saw you talking of gullible labour supporters earlier... were you gullible for thinking they would ever pay off the deficit?

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 31 Oct 19 9.17pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Yes, I have heard all the excuses before. Channel 4? Are you kidding? But of course, you are not a Labour man. Endless bulls***. So you are another who thinks that shooting the messenger makes the message untrue! Try addressing the message please. Which was quite simple. That measuring economic performance is actually quite a complex matter and for which there is no overall answer. By some measurements the Tories do better whist by others Labour do. Sweeping statements are just political gestures. No, I'm not a "Labour" man. I just prefer the truth to lies. I have almost always voted Conservative but won't this time, unless Sarah Newton, who has announced she won't be re-contesting her seat, is replaced by somebody more in tune with me. It's unlikely in the current climate. I detest the style and lies of this government and think it is taking us in a very stupid direction which will end up with us out of the EU, in hock to the USA and with the UK itself in tatters. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 31 Oct 19 9.17pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Yes, I have heard all the excuses before.

Channel 4? Are you kidding?

But of course, you are not a Labour man.

Endless bulls***.

So you are another who thinks that shooting the messenger makes the message untrue! Try addressing the message please. Which was quite simple. That measuring economic performance is actually quite a complex matter and for which there is no overall answer. By some measurements the Tories do better whist by others Labour do. Sweeping statements are just political gestures.

No, I'm not a "Labour" man. I just prefer the truth to lies. I have almost always voted Conservative but won't this time, unless Sarah Newton, who has announced she won't be re-contesting her seat, is replaced by somebody more in tune with me. It's unlikely in the current climate. I detest the style and lies of this government and think it is taking us in a very stupid direction which will end up with us out of the EU, in hock to the USA and with the UK itself in tatters.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Hrolf The Ganger 31 Oct 19 9.20pm
Originally posted by SavoyTruffle Labour overspending blah... blah... blah... Remind me again, did the tories pay off the deficit in 2014 like they said? What about 2016 like they postponed to?... What about 2017 which they postponed to after? Interesting there is now no mention of getting rid of it now.... ready to inject cash into the economy to get it back to the level of 2010 before they did the damage, almost as if it was a ploy to use as an excuse for underfunding public services. Saw you talking of gullible labour supporters earlier... were you gullible for thinking they would ever pay off the deficit? You obviously don't understand how debts are repaid and why managing the debt properly is important. Quite frankly, whatever one believes, I would never vote for a party who has used the situation in Parliament to stop the progress of a democratically chosen exit from the EU for their own political ends. That is a step too far.

Hrolf The Ganger

31 Oct 19 9.20pm

Originally posted by SavoyTruffle

Labour overspending blah... blah... blah...

Saw you talking of gullible labour supporters earlier... were you gullible for thinking they would ever pay off the deficit?

You obviously don't understand how debts are repaid and why managing the debt properly is important.

Quite frankly, whatever one believes, I would never vote for a party who has used the situation in Parliament to stop the progress of a democratically chosen exit from the EU for their own political ends.

That is a step too far.

Hrolf The Ganger 31 Oct 19 9.26pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle So you are another who thinks that shooting the messenger makes the message untrue! Try addressing the message please. Which was quite simple. That measuring economic performance is actually quite a complex matter and for which there is no overall answer. By some measurements the Tories do better whist by others Labour do. Sweeping statements are just political gestures. No, I'm not a "Labour" man. I just prefer the truth to lies. I have almost always voted Conservative but won't this time, unless Sarah Newton, who has announced she won't be re-contesting her seat, is replaced by somebody more in tune with me. It's unlikely in the current climate. I detest the style and lies of this government and think it is taking us in a very stupid direction which will end up with us out of the EU, in hock to the USA and with the UK itself in tatters. We voted for that 'stupid' direction, but of course, you don't care about that. Remoaners will say anything, do anything to get their way. Don't lecture me about truth.

Hrolf The Ganger

31 Oct 19 9.26pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

We voted for that 'stupid' direction, but of course, you don't care about that.

Remoaners will say anything, do anything to get their way.

Don't lecture me about truth.

Stirlingsays 31 Oct 19 10.13pm
Originally posted by braunstoneagle its like choosing between syphilis or gonorrhea Which did you go with? 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

31 Oct 19 10.13pm

Originally posted by braunstoneagle

its like choosing between syphilis or gonorrhea

Which did you go with?

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 31 Oct 19 10.15pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger We voted for that 'stupid' direction, but of course, you don't care about that. Remoaners will say anything, do anything to get their way. Don't lecture me about truth. No you didn't. No-one voted for this stupid direction. I voted to remain. You just voted to leave. Exactly what direction that involved us taking was unknown. Calling people like me childish names only serves to demonstrate how weak your actual arguments are. If you don't enjoy having the truth being pointed out to you then try accepting it. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (31 Oct 2019 10.16pm) For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 31 Oct 19 10.15pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

We voted for that 'stupid' direction, but of course, you don't care about that.

Remoaners will say anything, do anything to get their way.

Don't lecture me about truth.

No you didn't. No-one voted for this stupid direction. I voted to remain. You just voted to leave. Exactly what direction that involved us taking was unknown.

Calling people like me childish names only serves to demonstrate how weak your actual arguments are.

If you don't enjoy having the truth being pointed out to you then try accepting it.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (31 Oct 2019 10.16pm)

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

dannyboy1978 31 Oct 19 10.21pm
Comedy gold. [Link]

dannyboy1978

31 Oct 19 10.21pm

Comedy gold.
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YT Oxford 31 Oct 19 10.37pm
Originally posted by chris123 Europe with largely proportional representation have this all the time. Italy as had over 60 since the war. Two great examples of democratic accountability working - NOT! Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

Oxford 31 Oct 19 10.37pm

Originally posted by chris123

Europe with largely proportional representation have this all the time. Italy as had over 60 since the war.

Two great examples of democratic accountability working - NOT!

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

Hrolf The Ganger 31 Oct 19 10.43pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle No you didn't. No-one voted for this stupid direction. I voted to remain. You just voted to leave. Exactly what direction that involved us taking was unknown. Calling people like me childish names only serves to demonstrate how weak your actual arguments are. If you don't enjoy having the truth being pointed out to you then try accepting it. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (31 Oct 2019 10.16pm) What a ridiculous excuse. There could only be a binary choice and you know it. You also know that we would be out of the EU today if it wasn't for people like you and your arrogance. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (31 Oct 2019 10.48pm)

Hrolf The Ganger

31 Oct 19 10.43pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

No you didn't. No-one voted for this stupid direction. I voted to remain. You just voted to leave. Exactly what direction that involved us taking was unknown.

Calling people like me childish names only serves to demonstrate how weak your actual arguments are.

If you don't enjoy having the truth being pointed out to you then try accepting it.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (31 Oct 2019 10.16pm)

What a ridiculous excuse.

There could only be a binary choice and you know it.
You also know that we would be out of the EU
today if it wasn't for people like you and your arrogance.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (31 Oct 2019 10.48pm)

Rudi Hedman Caterham 31 Oct 19 11.46pm
Originally posted by cryrst Do you know that the top 1% of earners pay app 25% of the tax in the uk. Wheres that coming from when JC and his mates start wanting more and they piss off. 43% of the uk pay no tax at all. Either through earning not enough or being lazy and feckless. I think the feckless will rise to a huge amount if labour get in and they realise that actually working is not needed for a very fruitful existence. People registering on the dole under Blair were encouraged or asked if they wanted to go on incapacity benefits. I think they could do it over the phone, not even in person. Under the Tories they were all hauled in for interview. Maybe went a bit far on a few cases where they really couldn’t function for long at work. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 31 Oct 19 11.46pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Do you know that the top 1% of earners pay app 25% of the tax in the uk.
Wheres that coming from when JC and his mates start wanting more and they piss off.
43% of the uk pay no tax at all.
Either through earning not enough or being lazy and feckless.
I think the feckless will rise to a huge amount if labour get in and they realise that actually working is not needed for a very fruitful existence.

People registering on the dole under Blair were encouraged or asked if they wanted to go on incapacity benefits. I think they could do it over the phone, not even in person. Under the Tories they were all hauled in for interview. Maybe went a bit far on a few cases where they really couldn’t function for long at work.

COYP

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Nov 19 12.08am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle So you are another who thinks that shooting the messenger makes the message untrue! Try addressing the message please. Which was quite simple. That measuring economic performance is actually quite a complex matter and for which there is no overall answer. By some measurements the Tories do better whist by others Labour do. Sweeping statements are just political gestures. No, I'm not a "Labour" man. I just prefer the truth to lies. I have almost always voted Conservative but won't this time, unless Sarah Newton, who has announced she won't be re-contesting her seat, is replaced by somebody more in tune with me. It's unlikely in the current climate. I detest the style and lies of this government and think it is taking us in a very stupid direction which will end up with us out of the EU, in hock to the USA and with the UK itself in tatters. Darned good job and all. Respecting the result of the referendum.This is what 17.4 million people voted for. "In hock to the USA" and the "UK itself in tatters".Straight from the Corbyn "Bible". With respect a load of old hogwash as far as I am concerned but I respect your right to your air your opinion even though I fervently oppose it.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Nov 19 12.08am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

No, I'm not a "Labour" man. I just prefer the truth to lies. I have almost always voted Conservative but won't this time, unless Sarah Newton, who has announced she won't be re-contesting her seat, is replaced by somebody more in tune with me. It's unlikely in the current climate. I detest the style and lies of this government and think it is taking us in a very stupid direction which will end up with us out of the EU, in hock to the USA and with the UK itself in tatters.

Darned good job and all.
Respecting the result of the referendum.This is what 17.4 million people voted for.

"In hock to the USA" and the "UK itself in tatters".Straight from the Corbyn "Bible".
With respect a load of old hogwash as far as I am concerned but I respect your right to your air your opinion even though I fervently oppose it.

jeeagles 01 Nov 19 12.09am
. Edited by jeeagles (01 Nov 2019 8.17am)

jeeagles

01 Nov 19 12.09am

Edited by jeeagles (01 Nov 2019 8.17am)

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Nov 19 12.15am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle No you didn't. No-one voted for this stupid direction. I voted to remain. You just voted to leave. Exactly what direction that involved us taking was unknown. Calling people like me childish names only serves to demonstrate how weak your actual arguments are. If you don't enjoy having the truth being pointed out to you then try accepting it. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (31 Oct 2019 10.16pm) The truth is that 17.4 million voted to leave by a majority of 1 million yet those who voted for remain refuse to accept it.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Nov 19 12.15am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

No you didn't. No-one voted for this stupid direction. I voted to remain. You just voted to leave. Exactly what direction that involved us taking was unknown.

Calling people like me childish names only serves to demonstrate how weak your actual arguments are.

If you don't enjoy having the truth being pointed out to you then try accepting it.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (31 Oct 2019 10.16pm)

The truth is that 17.4 million voted to leave by a majority of 1 million yet those who voted for remain refuse to accept it.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Nov 19 12.27am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Then you tell me, with hand on your heart, do you actually believe this or do you think it is just an election "come on"? As it has already been shown to be mostly the regurgitation of existing plans, plus a wish list of hopes "when resources permit" to say it is just window dressing comparable with the "red bus £350 million for the NHS" campaign claim it looks unarguable to me, but I will be happy to hear your justification. To repeat, this is not a "lefty" questioning you. I will accept your claim that you are not a "Lefty" but as you have mentioned "Truth", the truth is that you are a remainer who simply cannot abide the fact that there were sufficient leavers who voted by a million to leave the EU, thank goodness! Apropos £350 million for the NHS, an extra £34 Billion is to be pumped into the NHS each and every year but of course this is ignored and replaced by a regurgitation of the Leave campaign. And of course remainers will find every excuse to discredit the leave campaign, conveniently forgetting the dastardly "Project Fear" campaign from the remain camp.It didn't work, thank the Lord! I must retire to the bosom of slumber. I have a busy day on the election trail tomorrow so I might not have the time to continue this debate on HOL.Goodnight one and all. Edited by Willo (01 Nov 2019 12.37am)

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Nov 19 12.27am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Then you tell me, with hand on your heart, do you actually believe this or do you think it is just an election "come on"?

As it has already been shown to be mostly the regurgitation of existing plans, plus a wish list of hopes "when resources permit" to say it is just window dressing comparable with the "red bus £350 million for the NHS" campaign claim it looks unarguable to me, but I will be happy to hear your justification.

To repeat, this is not a "lefty" questioning you.

I will accept your claim that you are not a "Lefty" but as you have mentioned "Truth", the truth is that you are a remainer who simply cannot abide the fact that there were sufficient leavers who voted by a million to leave the EU, thank goodness!

Apropos £350 million for the NHS, an extra £34 Billion is to be pumped into the NHS each and every year but of course this is ignored and replaced by a regurgitation of the Leave campaign.

And of course remainers will find every excuse to discredit the leave campaign, conveniently forgetting the dastardly "Project Fear" campaign from the remain camp.It didn't work, thank the Lord!

I must retire to the bosom of slumber. I have a busy day on the election trail tomorrow so I might not have the time to continue this debate on HOL.Goodnight one and all.

Edited by Willo (01 Nov 2019 12.37am)

cryrst The garden of England 01 Nov 19 5.52am
Originally posted by SavoyTruffle Labour overspending blah... blah... blah... Remind me again, did the tories pay off the deficit in 2014 like they said? What about 2016 like they postponed to?... What about 2017 which they postponed to after? Interesting there is now no mention of getting rid of it now.... ready to inject cash into the economy to get it back to the level of 2010 before they did the damage, almost as if it was a ploy to use as an excuse for underfunding public services. Saw you talking of gullible labour supporters earlier... were you gullible for thinking they would ever pay off the deficit? It isnt about repaying. It is about managing in. People with mortgages and loans are in debt. But most manage the debt. They dont go borrowing without the means to pay. I've been there and know eventually it catches up. If labour had won in 2010 we would have been wasted as a country in the next few years. Maybe changed to the euro just to get help. The tories manage finance. There is pain yes and some not nice but they have to look after the majority as a head count. Labours renationilisation program is alleged to be upwards of 150 billion, that 15-20% of our GDP. For what? So within 6 years we are back in the 70s. Strikes and huge pay rises. Buying votes is what it will do; initially. When rubbish is piled up and council offices closed you may wonder if your X went in the correct box.

cryrst

The garden of England 01 Nov 19 5.52am

Originally posted by SavoyTruffle

Labour overspending blah... blah... blah...

Saw you talking of gullible labour supporters earlier... were you gullible for thinking they would ever pay off the deficit?

It isnt about repaying.
It is about managing in.
People with mortgages and loans are in debt.
But most manage the debt.
They dont go borrowing without the means to pay.
I've been there and know eventually it catches up.
If labour had won in 2010 we would have been wasted as a country in the next few years.
Maybe changed to the euro just to get help.
The tories manage finance.
There is pain yes and some not nice but they have to look after the majority as a head count.
Labours renationilisation program is alleged to be upwards of 150 billion, that 15-20% of our GDP.
For what? So within 6 years we are back in the 70s.
Strikes and huge pay rises.
Buying votes is what it will do; initially.
When rubbish is piled up and council offices closed you may wonder if your X went in the correct box.

Midlands Eagle 01 Nov 19 7.11am
Can we keep this to non EU matters please as if it's going to be primarily EU related I will merge the two threads Thanks

Midlands Eagle

01 Nov 19 7.11am

Can we keep this to non EU matters please as if it's going to be primarily EU related I will merge the two threads

Thanks

braunstoneagle the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 01 Nov 19 7.43am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Can we keep this to non EU matters please as if it's going to be primarily EU related I will merge the two threads Thanks you may aswell merge it now then as this pathetic waste of time is purely going to be single issue protest votes based on brexit. what a way to choose a leader of you country. ‘Football isn’t instant coffee. You have to work at it. You must grow the bean, grind it.’ Ian Holloway

braunstoneagle

the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 01 Nov 19 7.43am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Can we keep this to non EU matters please as if it's going to be primarily EU related I will merge the two threads

Thanks

you may aswell merge it now then as this pathetic waste of time is purely going to be single issue protest votes based on brexit.

what a way to choose a leader of you country.

‘Football isn’t instant coffee. You have to work at it. You must grow the bean, grind it.’ Ian Holloway

YT Oxford 01 Nov 19 7.48am
Originally posted by braunstoneagle you may aswell merge it now then as this pathetic waste of time is purely going to be single issue protest votes based on brexit. what a way to choose a leader of you country. General elections are about choosing who serves as your MP. They are not about choosing the leader of the country. Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

Oxford 01 Nov 19 7.48am

Originally posted by braunstoneagle

you may aswell merge it now then as this pathetic waste of time is purely going to be single issue protest votes based on brexit.

what a way to choose a leader of you country.

General elections are about choosing who serves as your MP. They are not about choosing the leader of the country.

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

SavoyTruffle 01 Nov 19 8.06am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You obviously don't understand how debts are repaid and why managing the debt properly is important. Quite frankly, whatever one believes, I would never vote for a party who has used the situation in Parliament to stop the progress of a democratically chosen exit from the EU for their own political ends. That is a step too far. So you did believe them when they said they were going to get rid of the deficit? They have failed to do that against their own time scales multiple times and now don’t seem bothered about ever balancing it.

SavoyTruffle

01 Nov 19 8.06am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You obviously don't understand how debts are repaid and why managing the debt properly is important.

That is a step too far.

So you did believe them when they said they were going to get rid of the deficit? They have failed to do that against their own time scales multiple times and now don’t seem bothered about ever balancing it.

SavoyTruffle 01 Nov 19 8.10am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger What a ridiculous excuse. There could only be a binary choice and you know it. You also know that we would be out of the EU today if it wasn't for people like you and your arrogance. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (31 Oct 2019 10.48pm) If it was a binary choice, explain how there can be multiple parties which supported Brexit but now disagree on the type of Brexit we have? If it was binary all the voices pushing for Brexit would be singing in unison? Edited by SavoyTruffle (01 Nov 2019 8.15am)

SavoyTruffle

01 Nov 19 8.10am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

What a ridiculous excuse.

There could only be a binary choice and you know it.
You also know that we would be out of the EU
today if it wasn't for people like you and your arrogance.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (31 Oct 2019 10.48pm)

If it was a binary choice, explain how there can be multiple parties which supported Brexit but now disagree on the type of Brexit we have? If it was binary all the voices pushing for Brexit would be singing in unison?

Edited by SavoyTruffle (01 Nov 2019 8.15am)

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