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MikeCrete Flag Crete 17 Dec 20 8.25am

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

I haven't heard anyone say the sending off was justified. Can we not appeal it?

Nope, because it was for 2 yellow cards. You cannot appeal yellow cards

 

doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 17 Dec 20 8.28am

Originally posted by MikeCrete

Nope, because it was for 2 yellow cards. You cannot appeal yellow cards


That's my understanding as well, sadly.

 

Gary St.Andrews Flag Kenley 17 Dec 20 8.30am

Everyone, fans, football pundits etc, said he was unlucky to get a red apart from the dick in black!

 

dreamwaverider Flag London 17 Dec 20 9.06am

This is what you get when you let a load of pc snowflakes run the game. Political knees, no contact at headers. Soon to be no headers. Whether we like it or not, both headers warranted a yellow card in the new rules. If you touch another player with your arms raised you get booked. That’s the rules. Beats me why their man didn’t get booked as well. His arms were also raised and touché Benteke. Difference is Benteke didn’t go down like he had just been smashed by a hammer. Players nowadays are all cheats. Ours too. Wilf tries it on all the time. It’s why the game is changing so much. All this faking it gives the snowflake rulers the fodder to ruin the game. Most of us fans just likeRoy Harry Rednap and many more think it’s crazy. But it is what it is. Rules are rules and Trekkers had to walk. Bloody ridiculous situation. But at least it’s only one game. By the way, I never saw the second yellow. I just saw a straight red. Should the ref get fined?

 

TheBigToePunt Flag 17 Dec 20 10.16am

Originally posted by MikeCrete

Nope, because it was for 2 yellow cards. You cannot appeal yellow cards

Correct:

What can be appealed? All red cards with the exception of those for use of offensive or insulting or abusive language/gestures (S6) and receiving a second caution in a game (S7). For an appeal to be successful, you must prove that the referee made an obvious error in sending the player off.

Even if we could have appealed it, there is no way they would have backed us ahead of the ref, so nothing lost really.

The frustration is not just that this abject decision will remain unchallenged, but the ramifications of it for us. Not only were we denied the opportunity to go for all three points in a game we looked the more likely to win, and not only will we now be denied the services of a player who has (finally) found form, we will also have to face the best team in the land with our entire attacking set up thrown out of kilter when we have just found the right blend and balance going forward, and were building momentum.

And where was VAR in all this? Sitting unused of course, as the geniuses at ifab and the Premier League have decided that whilst they can abuse the technology to robotically uphold their own nonsensical misinterpretation of the rules (Bamford offside, Ward handball etc), they won't correct or support refs who make awful, damaging decisions like this.

 

palace99 Flag New Mills 17 Dec 20 12.33pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

Vardy is rapid. Benteke isn't. Vardy can start from a couple of yards further back and till beat the defender. Benteke needs to take a risk and hope the defender is slow off the mark.


I said 2nd phase of an attack i.e. after a ball has been half cleared and then gets recycled into box - nothing to do with speed, merely laziness or lack of a football brain.

Similar with the sending off last night. Yes it was harsh but both bookings were identical. After the first he needed to be more careful and he wasn't

 

TheBigToePunt Flag 17 Dec 20 2.25pm

Originally posted by palace99

Similar with the sending off last night. Yes it was harsh but both bookings were identical. After the first he needed to be more careful and he wasn't

I appreciate what you are saying, but if a player has been incorrectly booked once, they might reasonably go the other way and presume no sensible ref would do it twice.

In any event, would any of us really have been on Benteke's side if he spent the rest of the game failing to contest high balls, or jumping like a pogo stick with his arms by his side, losing every header?

Personally I'd rather he gets stuck in, battles with all he's got, and risks the odd card, even a red one.

 

doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 17 Dec 20 2.26pm

I enjoyed your rant BTP. So true; soon the game will be like basketball or more likely netball; you mustn't even touch the person with the ball. When that happens, I'll stop watching.

I can well see heading being outlawed. Indeed, I can well envisage the snowflakes saying, "the game is, after all, called FOOTball, not HEADball".

Edited by doombear (17 Dec 2020 2.28pm)

 

pompeyeagle Flag Relocated to Shropshire 17 Dec 20 10.49pm

Originally posted by doombear


I can well see heading being outlawed. Indeed, I can well envisage the snowflakes saying, "the game is, after all, called FOOTball, not HEADball".

Edited by doombear (17 Dec 2020 2.28pm)

Indeed! It’s just a matter of time (although it might be quite a long time) and when it happens you can kiss goodbye to boxing and rugby as well.

 

Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 17 Dec 20 10.55pm

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

This is what you get when you let a load of pc snowflakes run the game. Political knees, no contact at headers. Soon to be no headers. Whether we like it or not, both headers warranted a yellow card in the new rules. If you touch another player with your arms raised you get booked. That’s the rules. Beats me why their man didn’t get booked as well. His arms were also raised and touché Benteke. Difference is Benteke didn’t go down like he had just been smashed by a hammer. Players nowadays are all cheats. Ours too. Wilf tries it on all the time. It’s why the game is changing so much. All this faking it gives the snowflake rulers the fodder to ruin the game. Most of us fans just likeRoy Harry Rednap and many more think it’s crazy. But it is what it is. Rules are rules and Trekkers had to walk. Bloody ridiculous situation. But at least it’s only one game. By the way, I never saw the second yellow. I just saw a straight red. Should the ref get fined?


The last straw will be when they stop allowing a team to win.
Both teams will be winners and get participation medals

 


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Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 17 Dec 20 11.03pm

Originally posted by pompeyeagle

Indeed! It’s just a matter of time (although it might be quite a long time) and when it happens you can kiss goodbye to boxing and rugby as well.

Shorts need pockets to put all the players hands in and it would've secured us a point against Everton.

 

Eaglecoops Flag CR3 17 Dec 20 11.16pm

With the exception of throw ins, the game looks like it would probably flow better if all outfield players had their arms removed. Is that too much to ask from people earning £50k a week?

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Dec 20 11.20pm

Benteke had a proclivity to take up positions at the far post when the ball was out wide.
I have noticed that in recent games he has taken up positions more centrally or in the near post area.
Against WBA his first goal was a header at the near post,against W.Ham his goal was a header from a central position and in the same game he took up a position towards the near post when his effort from a Townsend cross was gathered by the goalkeeper.

Edited by Willo (17 Dec 2020 11.22pm)

 

croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 17 Dec 20 11.45pm

Ironic that he will miss the games against Liverpool and Villa, the two teams he played for, and has something to prove, just as he was getting back to his best!

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Dec 20 11.57pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

Ironic that he will miss the games against Liverpool and Villa, the two teams he played for, and has something to prove, just as he was getting back to his best!

As the 'Red' was a result of 2 'Yellows' he is only suspended for the Liverpool game.

 

Gary St.Andrews Flag Kenley 18 Dec 20 10.07am

I watched the Villa v Burnley game yesterday which ended in a draw. Both teams battling to get a winner and 2 players went up for a ball and one of them got an outstretched arm across the face and ended up a crumpled heap on the ground . No one got a card or a talking to, the fact that Tekkers got 2 x yellows without even a warning shows you how bad that referee was...

 

southnorwoodhill Flag 18 Dec 20 10.18am

Many players jump with the outstretched arm in the manner Benteke did, does this mean all such challenges are fouls or is this ref interpreting the rules in his own way?

Edited by southnorwoodhill (18 Dec 2020 6.27pm)

 

TheBigToePunt Flag 18 Dec 20 10.27am

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Many players jump with the outtretched arm in the manner Benteke did, does this mean all such challenges are fouls or is this ref interpreting the rules in his own way?

I shouldn't think this particular ref has an unusual interpretation of the rules, otherwise all his games would end up with the same red card at least once.

He just mistakenly took an honest jumping action for foul play. Twice.

The point of VAR was that human error from refs be ironed out of the game, but at the risk of repeating my last rant, they are not only abusing the technology by using it when they shouldn't (armpit offsides, nonsense handballs etc), they are failing to use it when they should. Under their current rules, the ref wasn't allowed to jog over to the monitor and taken a second look at the incidents.

So he just fecked it up all by himself instead. Old school style!

Edited by TheBigToePunt (18 Dec 2020 12.14pm)

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 18 Dec 20 2.08pm

This is what Dermot Gallagher had to say about the 2 yellow cards :

"I was surprised when I heard that [from Roy Hodgson] because Benteke was actually booked earlier in the game for exactly the same offence. Put the two yellow cards together, and they were both for leading with a flailing arm, both of which can hit an opponent in the face.

"He got a yellow card early on, and the second was almost a carbon-copy incident. We ask for consistency and David Coote was totally consistent in so much that he produced the second yellow card."

 

Eaglecoops Flag CR3 18 Dec 20 2.49pm

Originally posted by Willo

This is what Dermot Gallagher had to say about the 2 yellow cards :

"I was surprised when I heard that [from Roy Hodgson] because Benteke was actually booked earlier in the game for exactly the same offence. Put the two yellow cards together, and they were both for leading with a flailing arm, both of which can hit an opponent in the face.

"He got a yellow card early on, and the second was almost a carbon-copy incident. We ask for consistency and David Coote was totally consistent in so much that he produced the second yellow card."

Let’s see how consistent it is the next time Kane does exactly the same thing and believe me it won’t be long because he does it every match. But he is the media darling so don’t hold your breath.

 

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